Subban Contract Talk VIII - Always darkest before the dawn...?

[Habaneros]

Last season's GA On/60 5 on 5

PK ranked 219 out of 310 DMen in the NHL. Only Tinordi's and Frankie Bou's were worse.

I would not call that stellar defense.

Habs got a case.....i love Subban,i hope we can long term him..but he was gettin benched last yr....at 8-9 mill image..lol

 

[GlassesJacketShirt]

**** Geoff Molson and the stupid way he spells his first name. And his **** beer. (No, seriously, I just got back from Czech, their beer is so much better than ours. Unbelievable.)

Their standard brews and pilsners are terrific and of much higher quality than Molson, and that goes for most Euro countries in my opinion.

Canada has fantastic microbrews, but yeah, Molson beer sucks. Hard. They are not even the standard of mediocre as far as I'm concerned. And it costs like actual ****ing liquid gold at the Bell Centre to boot.

 

[ProspectsSTC]

Bergevin already low five'd Subban.

Yeah so, you win.

 

[WhiskeySeven*]

the only drama I see/hear about is from fans.

Every player, ever, says that arbitration is a terrible process.

 

[Blind Gardien]

I understand your reaction but don't sell PK short. He was informed of what it would be like going in and he's a smart guy.

It adds up, though. I love my job and told my employers in my interview that I didn't care about my salary. Which is true. But after a while, I could imagine if they kept coming down on me for reasons I didn't really agree with, it would make a difference. You can be informed, but a lack of respect and an uncomfortable environment builds. Being a smart guy isn't really a part of it. You want to be appreciated. I bet PK isn't feeling remotely appreciated right now. The interview clearly shows he has perspective, intelligence, and self-control. But somewhere under all that, I bet it rankles. If the arbitrator vindicates his side of things, though, I bet that helps. I hope the arbitrator really maxes things out on the PK side of the docket.

 

[Hoople]

Oh boy...

Our team is starved for offense, so let's get rid of that guy on the back end who was our top scorer in the playoffs.

Is this for real?

In a perfect world where PK agreed to sign a long term deal, it would be a mistake.

But damn, PK demanded arbitration, got it, probably will continue to be a distraction for the Habs organization and he will need to be shopped for the best return possible.

Sucks for the Habs that he thinks he is in the same zip code as the two-time Cup winning Toews and Kane.

 

[MXD]

You don't think this is an issue?? It's going to be what everybody talks about ALL season. Strap yourself in.

That will be an issue only for those who really want to make it an issue. Mainly people who ordinarily do not have anything to do with sports.

 

[WhiskeySeven*]

Their standard brews and pilsners are terrific and of much higher quality than Molson, and that goes for most Euro countries in my opinion.

Canada has fantastic microbrews, but yeah, Molson beer sucks. Hard. They are not even the standard of mediocre as far as I'm concerned. And it costs like actual ****ing liquid gold at the Bell Centre to boot.

Urquell is magnificent for a mass-produced beer. And they also have the original, authentic Budweiser.

Last night at a friends house we had Moosehead, it tasted like garbage. And I used to like Moosehead

 

[JayKing]

why was Timmins there?

http://www.rds.ca/hockey/canadiens/un-processus-d-apprentissage-1.1326680

Timmins is now VP of Player Personnel so I'm guessing his job is related.

 

[MXD]

Their standard brews and pilsners are terrific and of much higher quality than Molson, and that goes for most Euro countries in my opinion.

Canada has fantastic microbrews, but yeah, Molson beer sucks. Hard. They are not even the standard of mediocre as far as I'm concerned. And it costs like actual ****ing liquid gold at the Bell Centre to boot.

Being a part-time brewer myself....

Water is the key to Czech's Republic uniqueness of their Pilsners.

Well, that, and regular access to Saaz

 

[false bobo]

Video of Subban's conversation post arbitration.

Gonna rewatch this later and take a shot each time i hear the word "process." Should be a hell of a night.

 

[MXD]

Urquell is magnificent for a mass-produced beer. And they also have the original, authentic Budweiser.

Last night at a friends house we had Moosehead, it tasted like garbage. And I used to like Moosehead

Perfect water for style + fresh Saaz will do that.

Even the Steam Whistle -- a perfectly-crafted Pilsner -- isn't as great due to those very two factors. Water can be tweaked. Hop freshness? Barely.

 

[sheed36]

why was Timmins there?

http://www.rds.ca/hockey/canadiens/un-processus-d-apprentissage-1.1326680

That little ***** MT wasn't there as well was he?

 

[GlassesJacketShirt]

Urquell is magnificent for a mass-produced beer. And they also have the original, authentic Budweiser.

Last night at a friends house we had Moosehead, it tasted like garbage. And I used to like Moosehead

Urquell is good, but I have a slight preference for Czechvar. A bit more flavorful. Still think they're pretty close.

It's the difference between Subban and Emelin in Bergevin's eyes, essentially.

 

[Harpo]

This eventual one year deal seems to be a way for them to say "Let's agree to disagree, ans see if we can strike a deal next year". I just hope Subban won't hold any bad blood over this, because next time he'll have even more leverage.

Si j'ai bien compris, vous êtes en train de me dire : à la prochaine fois.

 

[GlassesJacketShirt]

Being a part-time brewer myself....

Water is the key to Czech's Republic uniqueness of their Pilsners.

Well, that, and regular access to Saaz

Ah, makes sense. Thanks for the tidbit, always nice to know more!

Hopefully we learn something half as potent about the contract offers soon enough. I JUST WANT TO KNOW NUMBERS!!!!

 

[Hoople]

Holy crap, we have our own celebrity on the forum.

Ladies and gentleman, that's clearly Jon Snow above, because he knows nothing.

Havent seen you posting that much lately.

Good to see you around.

 

[Habidelidoo]

Yeah, I'm very disappointed by his interview. Educational process... bull****. He should have gone the "no comment" route if you ask me. PK seems to be a dick in negociation.

 

[Hoople]

Vancouver had time on their side with both Luongo and Kesler. That turned out spectacular didn't it?

If someone is afraid to act simply because of fear and mistakes others made in the past, then that person is doomed to failure regardless.

 

[MXD]

Ah, makes sense. Thanks for the tidbit, always nice to know more!

Hopefully we learn something half as potent about the contract offers soon enough. I JUST WANT TO KNOW NUMBERS!!!!

Also the fact that the "craft" culture is much more present in their macros than in ours.

 

[Roulin]

Last season's GA On/60 5 on 5

PK ranked 219 out of 310 DMen in the NHL. Only Tinordi's and Frankie Bou's were worse.

I would not call that stellar defense.

Because his on-ice 5v5 sv% was 91.8. That's luck.

 

[Brainiac]

Add in media pressure, who will surely make this an issue.
Add in the racial aspect.
Add in that we're screwed without him.
Add in that he's just such a genuinely likeable and sociable guy off-ice that we'll have ZERO sympathy from the outside.
Add in that we'd surely get boned in a trade.
Add in our RFA situation next year + Subban's next contract negotiations.

Add in that this was entirely preventable.

**** Bergevin
**** the Bridge-Deal crowd.
**** Geoff Molson and the stupid way he spells his first name. And his **** beer. (No, seriously, I just got back from Czech, their beer is so much better than ours. Unbelievable.)

Well, duh, of course if you drink Molson, anything else will taste better. We do have great beers in Quebec. Just chill out and enjoy a good pint or two of La Fin du Monde.

Other than that, yeah, I agree with the rest of your post.

 

[GlassesJacketShirt]

This eventual one year deal seems to be a way for them to say "Let's agree to disagree, ans see if we can strike a deal next year". I just hope Subban won't hold any bad blood over this, because next time he'll have even more leverage.

Si j'ai bien compris, vous êtes en train de me dire : à la prochaine fois.

Supposing this scenario you propose is indeed of merit, the end result would in all likelihood see Subban sitting in an even more comfortable seat during next season's negotiations.

 

[Habaneros]

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-p...-bergevin--montreal-canadiens--211012830.html

But let’s look at what Bergevin’s managed to do in his negotiations with Subban:

- Kept his cap hit at $2.875 million for the last two seasons with that bridge contract, avoiding a potential cap calamity in 2013-14 when the ceiling dropped to $64.3 million.

- Kept him with two RFA years remaining at the end of that contract, which means two more cracks at short-term deals or a long-term extension, with arbitration in his hip pocket. (Although P.K. filed this time.)

- Managed to avoid handing out an elephantine contract before its time, with both Brendan Gallagher and Alex Galchenyuk coming off their rookie deals next summer.

From a nuts-and-bolts, taking what the CBA gives you perspective, what Bergevin’s done here so far is fine. And barring a miracle in which the sides decide on a long-term deal, he’ll save even more on Subban for next season when the arbitration ruling comes down, as well as in the long run. (Andrew Berkshire has done some great analysis on that last point.)

 

[Team_Spirit]

That little ***** MT wasn't there as well was he?

watch the video.

i see Timmins, Mallamby, Carriere and Bergevin...no idea who's the guy a 22 seconds.

no Dudley.