Stockton Heat Thread v1.0 (and ADK Thunder)

[FLAMESFAN]

Schneider with his third straight start, gets a 2-1 win. He's done much better than I thought he would so far, great #'s.
Is he to head back to the WHL next year, and how did he go undrafted?

 

[Calculon]

Safe bet he'll go back for his 19 year old season.

 

[Anglesmith]

Why is it that the Flames were able to sign Schneider without drafting him first?

 

[Backlund]

Why is it that the Flames were able to sign Schneider without drafting him first?

He was draft eligible in 2015 and wasn't picked.

 

[Calgareee]

So where does he go next year? Is he eligible to go back to the WHL? With Oreo likely playing himself into a backup spot the last little bit and Gillies and Poulin likely the tandem for Stockton where does he end up?

 

[BurnEmUp]

So where does he go next year? Is he eligible to go back to the WHL? With Oreo likely playing himself into a backup spot the last little bit and Gillies and Poulin likely the tandem for Stockton where does he end up?

He has to go back to junior.

 

[Backlund]

So where does he go next year? Is he eligible to go back to the WHL? With Oreo likely playing himself into a backup spot the last little bit and Gillies and Poulin likely the tandem for Stockton where does he end up?

He turns 19 in July so I think his only option is the WHL for another year. The crease will be crowded in Stockton next season so its probably a good thing. Mason McDonald should be joining them and with Gillies and Poulin already there it would be difficult to get playing time.

 

[Anglesmith]

He was draft eligible in 2015 and wasn't picked.

Yeah, but under such circumstances don't players like that have to go back into the draft? Like Mangiapane and Hunter Smith? I always thought signing undrafted players was only allowed once they were done being eligible for drafts.

 

[Backlund]

Yeah, but under such circumstances don't players like that have to go back into the draft? Like Mangiapane and Hunter Smith? I always thought signing undrafted players was only allowed once they were done being eligible for drafts.

Yeah I'm not too sure about the specifics but I'm pretty sure you only need to go undrafted once in order to be eligible to sign an ELC. Although if this were the case I'm unsure why we used picks on Mangiapane and Smith.

 

[BigRangy]

You're eligible to sign after going undrafted if you played the entire season in North America the year prior, as long as you sign before the start of your draft+1 junior season.

 

[Calculon]

A little bit more detailed explanation

[FIELDSET="Oiler's gonna Oil"]According to the NHL’s Collective Bargaining Agreement, to be eligible to play in the league, a player must have:

(a) had been claimed in the last Entry Draft, or was ineligible for claim under Section

8.4; or

(b) had been eligible for claim in the last Entry Draft, but was unclaimed, and:

1. ii) had played hockey in North America the prior season and was under age 20 at the time of the last Entry Draft, and signed an SPC which was signed and registered with the League between the conclusion of the Entry Draft and commencement of the Major Juniors season (except that if such Player had signed an NHL try-out form, which was signed and registered with the League during the aforesaid time period, then the deadline for signing and registering with the League an SPC with such try-out Club shall be the commencement of the NHL Season).’​

[/FIELDSET]

 

[Backlund]

You're eligible to sign after going undrafted if you played the entire season in North America the year prior, as long as you sign before the start of your draft+1 junior season.

That explains using the pick on Smith then. But it makes me question why we didn't just sign Mangiapane. I know it was only a 6th round pick but still.

 

[Lunatik]

Why is it that the Flames were able to sign Schneider without drafting him first?

Let's see if I can explain this properly.

When you invite a non-drafted to your camp you have a window to sign said player while they are in your camp. We actually signed Turner Elson the same way a few years back.

 

[Lunatik]

You're eligible to sign after going undrafted if you played the entire season in North America the year prior, as long as you sign before the start of your draft+1 junior season.

only while they are in your training camp

 

[FLAMESFAN]

So where does he go next year? Is he eligible to go back to the WHL? With Oreo likely playing himself into a backup spot the last little bit and Gillies and Poulin likely the tandem for Stockton where does he end up?

No room for Poulin. Gillies/McDonald will share the crease next year.
He'll be racking up the airmiles again.

 

[Snazu]

That explains using the pick on Smith then. But it makes me question why we didn't just sign Mangiapane. I know it was only a 6th round pick but still.

Because with drafting, you own the rights to the player, but don't have to sign him right away and can still evaluate if he's worth signing or not. I believe you have until they're ineligible to play CHL to be able to sign him or not.

 

[Lunatik]

Because with drafting, you own the rights to the player, but don't have to sign him right away and can still evaluate if he's worth signing or not. I believe you have until they're ineligible to play CHL to be able to sign him or not.

You have just under 2 years to sign them. CHL players must be signed by June 1st, 2 years after being drafted.

 

[Lunatik]

The playoff race in the AHL is getting tighter. Unfortunately it is not as simple as looking at points since the California teams play 8 games fewer than the rest of the league.

Currently in the Pacific Division the standings are:

Rank | Pacific Division | GP | W | L | OTL | SOL | PTS | PCT
1 | Ontario Reign | 63 | 40 | 18 | 4 | 1 | 85 | 0.675
2 | San Diego Gulls | 63 | 36 | 22 | 3 | 2 | 77 | 0.611
3 | Texas Stars | 72 | 38 | 24 | 7 | 3 | 86 | 0.597
WC | Charlotte Checkers | 70 | 35 | 27 | 3 | 5 | 78 | 0.557
- | San Jose Barracuda | 63 | 29 | 24 | 7 | 3 | 68 | 0.540
- | Bakersfield Condors | 62 | 28 | 26 | 6 | 2 | 64 | 0.516
- | Stockton Heat | 62 | 30 | 28 | 2 | 2 | 64 | 0.516
- | San Antonio Rampage | 71 | 29 | 34 | 8 | 0 | 66 | 0.465

Ontario, San Diego & Texas are all out of reach. So we need to catch Charlotte for that final playoff spot; but to do so we also need to pass San Jose and Bakersfield.

Remaining Schedule

- - - - - Team - - - - - | - - - - - - - - Opponent - - - - - - - - | - - - - - - - - Opponent - - - - - - - - | - - - - - - - - Opponent - - - - - - - - | - - - - - - - - Opponent - - - - - - - - | - - - - - - - - Opponent - - - - - - - - | - - - - - - - - Opponent - - - - - - - -
Charlotte Checkers | 5-Apr vs Rockford IceHogs | 6-Apr vs Rockford IceHogs | 9-Apr vs Milwaukee Admirals | 10-Apr vs Milwaukee Admirals | 14-Apr @ Lake Erie Monsters | 15-Apr @ Lake Erie Monsters
San Jose Barracuda | 6-Apr @ San Antonio Rampage | 8-Apr @ Texas Stars | 9-Apr @ Texas Stars | 16-Apr @ Stockton Heat | 17-Apr vs Stockton Heat |
Bakersfield Condors | 6-Apr @ San Diego Gulls | 8-Apr @ Ontario Reign | 9-Apr vs Ontario Reign | 12-Apr vs Stockton Heat | 15-Apr @ Milwaukee Admirals | 16-Apr @ Grand Rapids Griffins
Stockton Heat | 6-Apr vs Ontario Reign | 9-Apr vs San Diego Gulls | 10-Apr vs San Diego Gulls | 12-Apr @ Bakersfield Condors | 16-Apr vs San Jose Barracuda | 17-Apr @ San Jose Barracuda

Strength of schedule.

Charlotte Checkers

4 Home Games, 2 Road Games - 16-14-4 at home, 19-13-4 on the road
3 sets of back to backs
2 games vs Milwaukee (43-21-5), ranked 1st in Central Division, 2nd in Western Conference
2 games vs Rockford (36-20-13), ranked 4th in Central Division, 5th in Western Conference
2 games vs Lake Erie (39-21-10), ranked T-2nd in Central Division, T-3rd in Western Conference​

San Jose Barracuda

1 Home Game, 4 Road Games - 17-13-3 at home, 12-11-7 on the road
2 sets of back to backs
1 games vs San Antonio (29-34-8), ranked 7th in Pacific Division, 13th in Western Conference
2 games vs Texas (38-24-10), 3rd in Pacific Division, 7th in Western Conference
2 game vs Stockton (30-28-4), ranked T-5th in Pacific Division, T-10th in Western Conference​

Bakersfield Condors

2 Home Games, 2 Road Games - 16-12-4 at home, 12-14-4 on the road
2 sets of back to backs
1 game vs San Diego (36-22-5), 2nd in Pacific Division, 6th in Western Conference
2 games vs Ontario (40-18-5), 1st in Pacific Division, 1st in Western Conference
1 game vs Stockton (30-28-4), ranked T-5th in Pacific Division, T-10th in Western Conference
1 game vs Milwaukee (43-21-5), ranked 1st in Central Division, 2nd in Western Conference
1 game vs Grand Rapids (43-25-2), ranked 2nd in Central Division, 3rd in Western Conference​

Stockton Heat

4 Home Games, 2 Road Games - 20-9-1 at home, 10-19-3 on the road
2 sets of back to backs
1 game vs Ontario (40-18-5), 1st in Pacific Division, 1st in Western Conference
2 games vs San Diego (36-22-5), 2nd in Pacific Division, 6th in Western Conference
1 game vs Bakersfield (28-26-8), T-5th in Pacific Division, T-10th in Western Conference
2 games vs San Jose (29-24-10), 4th in Pacific Division, 9th in Western Conference​

It is an uphill battle for sure, but with our dominant home record and with how difficult the schedules are for the other 3 clubs I think our chances are much better than they normally would be in this situation.

 

[TkachuckNotTkaczuk]

Looking like it will be tough to get in, unfortunate as it would be great experience for the guys we see as future Flames. There is still hope though!

 

[SmellOfVictory]

The playoff race in the AHL is getting tighter. Unfortunately it is not as simple as looking at points since the California teams play 8 games fewer than the rest of the league.

Currently in the Pacific Division the standings are:

Rank | Pacific Division | GP | W | L | OTL | SOL | PTS | PCT
1 | Ontario Reign | 63 | 40 | 18 | 4 | 1 | 85 | 0.675
2 | San Diego Gulls | 63 | 36 | 22 | 3 | 2 | 77 | 0.611
3 | Texas Stars | 72 | 38 | 24 | 7 | 3 | 86 | 0.597
WC | Charlotte Checkers | 70 | 35 | 27 | 3 | 5 | 78 | 0.557
- | San Jose Barracuda | 63 | 29 | 24 | 7 | 3 | 68 | 0.540
- | Bakersfield Condors | 62 | 28 | 26 | 6 | 2 | 64 | 0.516
- | Stockton Heat | 62 | 30 | 28 | 2 | 2 | 64 | 0.516
- | San Antonio Rampage | 71 | 29 | 34 | 8 | 0 | 66 | 0.465

Ontario, San Diego & Texas are all out of reach. So we need to catch Charlotte for that final playoff spot; but to do so we also need to pass San Jose and Bakersfield.

Remaining Schedule

- - - - - Team - - - - - | - - - - - - - - Opponent - - - - - - - - | - - - - - - - - Opponent - - - - - - - - | - - - - - - - - Opponent - - - - - - - - | - - - - - - - - Opponent - - - - - - - - | - - - - - - - - Opponent - - - - - - - - | - - - - - - - - Opponent - - - - - - - -
Charlotte Checkers | 5-Apr vs Rockford IceHogs | 6-Apr vs Rockford IceHogs | 9-Apr vs Milwaukee Admirals | 10-Apr vs Milwaukee Admirals | 14-Apr @ Lake Erie Monsters | 15-Apr @ Lake Erie Monsters
San Jose Barracuda | 6-Apr @ San Antonio Rampage | 8-Apr @ Texas Stars | 9-Apr @ Texas Stars | 16-Apr @ Stockton Heat | 17-Apr vs Stockton Heat |
Bakersfield Condors | 6-Apr @ San Diego Gulls | 8-Apr @ Ontario Reign | 9-Apr vs Ontario Reign | 12-Apr vs Stockton Heat | 15-Apr @ Milwaukee Admirals | 16-Apr @ Grand Rapids Griffins
Stockton Heat | 6-Apr vs Ontario Reign | 9-Apr vs San Diego Gulls | 10-Apr vs San Diego Gulls | 12-Apr @ Bakersfield Condors | 16-Apr vs San Jose Barracuda | 17-Apr @ San Jose Barracuda

Strength of schedule.

Charlotte Checkers

4 Home Games, 2 Road Games - 16-14-4 at home, 19-13-4 on the road
3 sets of back to backs
2 games vs Milwaukee (43-21-5), ranked 1st in Central Division, 2nd in Western Conference
2 games vs Rockford (36-20-13), ranked 4th in Central Division, 5th in Western Conference
2 games vs Lake Erie (39-21-10), ranked T-2nd in Central Division, T-3rd in Western Conference​

San Jose Barracuda

1 Home Game, 4 Road Games - 17-13-3 at home, 12-11-7 on the road
2 sets of back to backs
1 games vs San Antonio (29-34-8), ranked 7th in Pacific Division, 13th in Western Conference
2 games vs Texas (38-24-10), 3rd in Pacific Division, 7th in Western Conference
2 game vs Stockton (30-28-4), ranked T-5th in Pacific Division, T-10th in Western Conference​

Bakersfield Condors

2 Home Games, 2 Road Games - 16-12-4 at home, 12-14-4 on the road
2 sets of back to backs
1 game vs San Diego (36-22-5), 2nd in Pacific Division, 6th in Western Conference
2 games vs Ontario (40-18-5), 1st in Pacific Division, 1st in Western Conference
1 game vs Stockton (30-28-4), ranked T-5th in Pacific Division, T-10th in Western Conference
1 game vs Milwaukee (43-21-5), ranked 1st in Central Division, 2nd in Western Conference
1 game vs Grand Rapids (43-25-2), ranked 2nd in Central Division, 3rd in Western Conference​

Stockton Heat

4 Home Games, 2 Road Games - 20-9-1 at home, 10-19-3 on the road
2 sets of back to backs
1 game vs Ontario (40-18-5), 1st in Pacific Division, 1st in Western Conference
2 games vs San Diego (36-22-5), 2nd in Pacific Division, 6th in Western Conference
1 game vs Bakersfield (28-26-8), T-5th in Pacific Division, T-10th in Western Conference
2 games vs San Jose (29-24-10), 4th in Pacific Division, 9th in Western Conference​

It is an uphill battle for sure, but with our dominant home record and with how difficult the schedules are for the other 3 clubs I think our chances are much better than they normally would be in this situation.

If Stockton wins all of their remaining games, they'll end up with a .558 points percentage, so aren't they basically screwed? If Charlotte wins or goes to OT in a single game, they'll be out of reach.

 

[Anglesmith]

If Stockton wins all of their remaining games, they'll end up with a .558 points percentage, so aren't they basically screwed? If Charlotte wins or goes to OT in a single game, they'll be out of reach.

But if they don't, they won't be.

Basically what you're highlighting is that their tragic number is 1.

 

[Volica]

Schneider is getting a ton of praise out both the Stockton camp and the Stockton media camp.

Good to see a kid like that get a chance.

 

[Lunatik]

If Stockton wins all of their remaining games, they'll end up with a .558 points percentage, so aren't they basically screwed? If Charlotte wins or goes to OT in a single game, they'll be out of reach.

That is not even close to being accurate. If we win out they need 7 points. I am assuming that you didn't factor in that winning percentage drops with losses?

Rank | Pacific Division | GP | PTS | PCT | 0 Pts | 1 Pts | 2 Pts | 3 Pts | 4 Pts | 5 Pts | 6 Pts | 7 Pts | 8 Pts | 9 Pts | 10 Pts | 11 Pts | 12 Pts
WC | Charlotte Checkers | 70 | 78 | 0.557 | 0.513 | 0.520 | 0.526 | 0.533 | 0.539 | 0.546 | 0.553 | 0.559 | 0.566 | 0.572 | 0.579 | 0.586 | 0.592
- | Stockton Heat | 62 | 64 | 0.516 | 0.471 | 0.478 | 0.485 | 0.493 | 0.500 | 0.507 | 0.515 | 0.522 | 0.529 | 0.537 | 0.544 | 0.551 | 0.559

 

[Dertell]

So where does he go next year? Is he eligible to go back to the WHL? With Oreo likely playing himself into a backup spot the last little bit and Gillies and Poulin likely the tandem for Stockton where does he end up?

I hope Poulin won't be back. Would be a waste of spot.

 

[SmellOfVictory]

That is not even close to being accurate. If we win out they need 7 points. I am assuming that you didn't factor in that winning percentage drops with losses?

Rank | Pacific Division | GP | PTS | PCT | 0 Pts | 1 Pts | 2 Pts | 3 Pts | 4 Pts | 5 Pts | 6 Pts | 7 Pts | 8 Pts | 9 Pts | 10 Pts | 11 Pts | 12 Pts
WC | Charlotte Checkers | 70 | 78 | 0.557 | 0.513 | 0.520 | 0.526 | 0.533 | 0.539 | 0.546 | 0.553 | 0.559 | 0.566 | 0.572 | 0.579 | 0.586 | 0.592
- | Stockton Heat | 62 | 64 | 0.516 | 0.471 | 0.478 | 0.485 | 0.493 | 0.500 | 0.507 | 0.515 | 0.522 | 0.529 | 0.537 | 0.544 | 0.551 | 0.559

Yup, I forgot how to math.