**** Steve Moore.
What Bert did was wrong, and he should definitely have a dent put in his wallet, but I'm so sick of hearing about this ***** milking it.
Agreed.
I really like how you started off, but you lost me at the end.First of all, your blanket characterization of "Canucks fans" in general is appalling. I despise people that make broad generalizations of entire fanbases like this.
Second, to have empathy for Bertuzzi is perfectly logical. He has suffered greatly from this and never intended any of it to happen. Does Moore have a case? Obviously. Should Bertuzzi have been vilified the way he was (booed in every arena, cast off as a pariah, the poster boy of a bully, etc.)? No. What he did is what has been drilled into every player since minor hockey. You protect and avenge anyone who dares mess with your star player or goalie. Dave Semenko was employed specifically to carry out this duty. To walk around with your head in the clouds and ignore this, is to not understand the culture of the game.
You want to blame the culture of the game, fine.....but Bertuzzi was only doing exactly what he was instructed to do since he first put skates on.
You should probably not make assumptions about what I think Bertuzzi deserves.So.. why does Bertuzzi get to live like a sultan for ending Moore's career and appreciably damaging his qualify of life? This isn't an argument that holds water legally.
I really like how you started off, but you lost me at the end.
If every hockey player was trained to do what Bertuzzi did then there would be a lot more incidents similar to it. This is just not the case. It still remains among the worst things anyone has ever done on the ice. To try and characterize it as "part of the game" proves the point in the post you replied to.
I really like how you started off, but you lost me at the end.
If every hockey player was trained to do what Bertuzzi did then there would be a lot more incidents similar to it. This is just not the case. It still remains among the worst things anyone has ever done on the ice. To try and characterize it as "part of the game" proves the point in the post you replied to.
How many hockey plays result in this?Here is Brodeur's take on the incident. Most players are too PC to come out and say it:
"I play the game, these kinds of hits happen over and over again," Brodeur reiterated Monday. "People are lucky they don't get hurt more. I'm not taking anything away from Steve and his injury . . . but it's tough, this guy's (Bertuzzi's) life is changed, his career is changed. It'll be tough for him to ever be the same player from the day before he did that."
Beyond his NHL and IIHF suspensions, legal action was taken against Bertuzzi in the provincial courts of British Columbia and Ontario, as well as in Colorado state court. After a four-month investigation, the criminal justice branch of the Attorney General of British Columbia announced on June 24, 2004, he was being formally charged with assault causing bodily harm. With the charge, Bertuzzi faced up to one-and-a-half years in prison. Several months later, on December 22, Bertuzzi pled guilty to the assault charge after arranging a plea bargain with prosecutors. He was given a conditional discharge requiring 80 hours of community service and one year's probation that additionally prohibited him from playing in any hockey game Moore was competing in.
I really like how you started off, but you lost me at the end.
If every hockey player was trained to do what Bertuzzi did then there would be a lot more incidents similar to it. This is just not the case. It still remains among the worst things anyone has ever done on the ice. To try and characterize it as "part of the game" proves the point in the post you replied to.
Here is Brodeur's take on the incident. Most players are too PC to come out and say it:
"I play the game, these kinds of hits happen over and over again," Brodeur reiterated Monday. "People are lucky they don't get hurt more. I'm not taking anything away from Steve and his injury . . . but it's tough, this guy's (Bertuzzi's) life is changed, his career is changed. It'll be tough for him to ever be the same player from the day before he did that."
How many hockey plays result in this?
I'd love to see you make that argument in a court of law.It's part of the culture of hockey, like it or not. Had Moore not been injured by the hit, Bertuzzi would have been cheered for exacting revenge - that's the name of the game.
Except it's pretty clear Bertuzzi's life didn't change all that much. Remained fully employed as an NHL player, made good money, had a decent career. Got better than he ever deserved following that.
I'd love to see you make that argument in a court of law.
Lots. Players get punched in the face all the time. You can make the argument about the blindside hit was offside, but it's not the first blindside punch in hockey. You take the fact the game was 8-1 and the Canucks had not exacted the required revenge on Moore, and the fact Moore would not look at Bertuzzi.....voila.
Look........it's PC for us all to say that what Bertuzzi did was a crime and throw the book at him and boo him everytime we see him and paint him as the villain.
I am just saying that the underlying culture of the game was the reason why what happened..........happened. Does Moore have a case? Sure, he is out of hockey. Does Bertuzzi deserve to be suspended? Obviously.
Does Bertuzzi deserve to be painted as a criminal and a bully and booed everytime he touches the puck or makes any sort of appearance.........that's where I take issue.
You're right insofar as hockey as long held a culture of violence and retribution. I don't like the idea of excusing someone on the basis of their being a culture though. It can be both.
How can you agree that hockey is played in a climate of violence and retribution and then disagree that someone should not be excused for acting in a manner that is violent and retaliatory?
This sentence is amazing. What if Bertuzzi clubbed Moore in the face until it was a mushy pulp?
"Oh but NHL culture involves violence and retaliation to some extent"
Did he do that? No.
Congrats, that's an excellent observation.
You don't think this had a an affect on Bertuzzi's life? Gotta disagree there. He became an outcast.
How can you agree that hockey is played in a climate of violence and retribution and then disagree that someone should not be excused for acting in a manner that is violent and retaliatory?
Outcast? He was regularly employed by one of the most respected organizations in the game. Being a booed by fans is hardly making you an outcast. He was re-signed by the man who was the GM at the time of the incident.
Should Matt Cooke be entitled to compensation? Have you checked in to see if Chris Simon is feeling good about himself? How's Steve Downie's self worth these days?
Todd Bertuzzi did a bad thing, his career went on just fine. Sometimes he gets booed, I think he'll be okay.