Player Discussion Start appreciating Monahan
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Huge fan of Monahan here. He's definitely the best center on the team. When in the slot, receiving a pass, he's got ice water in his veins. Deadly.
Barring injuries this year I expect he will exceed 70 points and 35 goals. This is the year that the league recognizes Mony as an elite center.
Barring injuries this year I expect he will exceed 70 points and 35 goals. This is the year that the league recognizes Mony as an elite center.
Tkachuk Norris
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He just suffers from being in a Canadian market.
People focus on the odd negative play instead of all the good things he does. Much like Kessel, Draisatl. Those players are not true game breakers and they get shit on all the time. When clearly they are still great players, just not true elite franchise players. We bitch because they aren’t that. When clearly the problem with our roster has been basically everything EXCEPT Johnny and Sean (and Gio)
Not to mention some people on this board still don’t understand that playing the other teams top pairing D and Backlund like C is not an easy thing... it’s almost like playing your best defensive unit against the other team’s best offensive unit is a good idea or something.
People focus on the odd negative play instead of all the good things he does. Much like Kessel, Draisatl. Those players are not true game breakers and they get shit on all the time. When clearly they are still great players, just not true elite franchise players. We bitch because they aren’t that. When clearly the problem with our roster has been basically everything EXCEPT Johnny and Sean (and Gio)
Not to mention some people on this board still don’t understand that playing the other teams top pairing D and Backlund like C is not an easy thing... it’s almost like playing your best defensive unit against the other team’s best offensive unit is a good idea or something.
SKRusty
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The first season and a half Monahan did not play with Johnny but rather scrubs like David Jones and Hudler. Edit: I had to add for 2.5 seasons Monahan's wrist was nowhere near 100% and he still put up 27,27,& 31 goals respectively and 63, 58, & 64 points.
Barkov has been playing along with Huberdeau. In 2016-17 Barkov played with Marchessault and Huberdeau. There is a statement that Barkov makes players around him better yet in Las Vegas the following season Marchessault put up 30% more points with line-mates that were not better than Barkov or Huberdeau. Marchessault is on pace for the same number of points this year as last with line-mates struggling. That argument does not hold water.
Scheifele is 2 years older than Monahan.
MacKinnon has played with Rantanen, Landeskog, Stastny, and Iggy before his decline. Until last season MacKinnon and Monahan were neck and neck. MacKinnon's rookie year was Landeskog-Stastny-MacKinnon.
Everybody under-rates Sean and his skills.
Now consider 2 factors:
Here are the top scorers under 27 years of age since 2013. Now consider that Sean unlike others had a complete rebuild to grow through. Seguin, MacKinnon, O'Reilly, Kuznetsov, Duchene
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FYI Barkov who is often referred to as being better than Monahan is 14th almost 50 points back of Sean.
Barkov has been playing along with Huberdeau. In 2016-17 Barkov played with Marchessault and Huberdeau. There is a statement that Barkov makes players around him better yet in Las Vegas the following season Marchessault put up 30% more points with line-mates that were not better than Barkov or Huberdeau. Marchessault is on pace for the same number of points this year as last with line-mates struggling. That argument does not hold water.
Scheifele is 2 years older than Monahan.
MacKinnon has played with Rantanen, Landeskog, Stastny, and Iggy before his decline. Until last season MacKinnon and Monahan were neck and neck. MacKinnon's rookie year was Landeskog-Stastny-MacKinnon.
Everybody under-rates Sean and his skills.
Now consider 2 factors:
- How many more points does Sean and Johnny get if Lindholm was here for the last 2 years like MacKinnon has had playing with Rananen?
- How many points does Sean get just having a healthy wrist?
Here are the top scorers under 27 years of age since 2013. Now consider that Sean unlike others had a complete rebuild to grow through. Seguin, MacKinnon, O'Reilly, Kuznetsov, Duchene
| Rk | Player | G | Tm | Pos | From | To | Active | GP | A | PTS ▼ | |
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| 1 | Tyler Seguin | 180 | DAL | C | 2013 | 2019 | 6 | 409 | 225 | 405 | |
| 2 | John Tavares | 160 | NYI | C | 2013 | 2018 | 5 | 378 | 212 | 372 | |
| 3 | Nathan MacKinnon | 128 | COL | C | 2013 | 2019 | 6 | 395 | 206 | 334 | |
| 4 | Ryan Johansen | 106 | TOT | C | 2013 | 2019 | 6 | 427 | 223 | 329 | |
| 5 | Ryan O'Reilly | 120 | TOT | C | 2013 | 2019 | 6 | 406 | 198 | 318 | |
| 6 | Mark Scheifele | 123 | WPG | C | 2013 | 2019 | 6 | 375 | 186 | 309 | |
| 7 | Sean Monahan | 150 | CGY | C | 2013 | 2019 | 6 | 415 | 156 | 306 | |
| 8 | Connor McDavid | 100 | EDM | C | 2015 | 2019 | 4 | 230 | 187 | 287 | |
| 9 | Evgeny Kuznetsov | 86 | WSH | C | 2013 | 2019 | 6 | 358 | 200 | 286 | |
| 10 | Matt Duchene | 119 | TOT | C | 2013 | 2018 | 5 | 388 | 165 | 284 |
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FYI Barkov who is often referred to as being better than Monahan is 14th almost 50 points back of Sean.
I grabbed Monahan in my Fantasy draft far beyond where I expected him to be available, and it's payed off. I accidentally autopicked Tatar instead of Lindholm because my browser bugged though. The real surprise here is ROR who has been putting up these points despite playing in and around dumpster fires for a large majority of his career.
The Barkov point doesn’t really work, considering Marchessault played a lot more on Trocheck’s line than Barkov’s: Line Combinations - Frozen Tools
And it’s obvious that Marchessault progressed as a player after leaving Florida. Barkov is a great playmaker.
Anyways, Monahan is probably under appreciated by a few people on here. He’s certainly not flashy, but he’s the best on the Flames at the most important aspect of hockey: scoring goals.
JPeeper
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Bumping because Mony is awesome.
He is currently tied for 9th place in league points with 38 (tied with Giroux, Eichel, Pasta, Wheeler, Backstrom, Landeskog).
He is tied for 4th in points for centers only behind McDavid, MacKinnon and Point.
He is tied for 3rd in goals with 20, 1 behind second place and 5 behind Ovy.
The supposed "most underrated player in the league" Barkov is 10 points back of him, he his ahead of Scheifele, Crosby, Malkin, Stamkos, Tavares, Kuzy, Aho, Getzlaf, Horvat (I post this only because Monahan lost a poll to this clown as who is the better player LOOOOOOL).
Doesn't make the NHL Top 20 centers list, is better than more than 50% of the goobers on the list including Left Winger Draisaitl.
He is currently tied for 9th place in league points with 38 (tied with Giroux, Eichel, Pasta, Wheeler, Backstrom, Landeskog).
He is tied for 4th in points for centers only behind McDavid, MacKinnon and Point.
He is tied for 3rd in goals with 20, 1 behind second place and 5 behind Ovy.
The supposed "most underrated player in the league" Barkov is 10 points back of him, he his ahead of Scheifele, Crosby, Malkin, Stamkos, Tavares, Kuzy, Aho, Getzlaf, Horvat (I post this only because Monahan lost a poll to this clown as who is the better player LOOOOOOL).
Doesn't make the NHL Top 20 centers list, is better than more than 50% of the goobers on the list including Left Winger Draisaitl.
BigRangy
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Monahan is scoring, and that's great. But you only have to look a little bit to see where his game lacks. I know it's cherry picking but look at the 3-2 goal last night. Monahan doesn't even try to impede the Flyer and he gets an easy tap in.
It happens too frequently for a guy that is expected to lead in all facets of the game. His work in the defensive zone is very much incomplete at this point, and it'll be the difference between him being a Jeff Carter or an Anze Kopitar in terms of bringing value to a team. Both of those guys brought a lot of offensive skill, but only one of them ever contributed around the whole ice.
Monahan is still great even as he is, but I can't help but feel like he could really be the C this team needs if only he got a little more involved when the puck isn't on (and immediately off) his stick in the slot.
It happens too frequently for a guy that is expected to lead in all facets of the game. His work in the defensive zone is very much incomplete at this point, and it'll be the difference between him being a Jeff Carter or an Anze Kopitar in terms of bringing value to a team. Both of those guys brought a lot of offensive skill, but only one of them ever contributed around the whole ice.
Monahan is still great even as he is, but I can't help but feel like he could really be the C this team needs if only he got a little more involved when the puck isn't on (and immediately off) his stick in the slot.
He is improving on that and still very young, wouldn't worry too much about it to be honest.
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This. He's still 24 (freshly). For all the accolades guys like Crosby get for their two way play now, he wasn't that great when he was younger.
BobColesNasalCavity
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Johnny Hoxville
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Monahan has been far more engaged this year. I think Lindholm has really helped him and he’s learned a lot from him and of course Peters.
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I think there's benefits yes, but I'd largely chock it up to simply being fully healthy and the team playing a system that suits him better.
SKRusty
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Think this is the first time Monahan has been healthy in 2.5 years. I have not seen Sean smile as much since his first year with Johnny. Sean is a monster and while he does not crash and bang he out smarts his opposition. You can not teach how savvy Monahan is with his game. While not slow Sean combats faster skaters with his anticipation and angles very well. What goes most underrated in Sean's game is his ability to set-up others. Last nights goal in OT by Johnny was Sean threading a sweet pass.
Sean is on pace break 50 goals. Since 2012-13 the only player to break 50 is Ovi. Realistically Ovi, Laine, Point, MacKinnon and Monahan are the only players that have a true shot at 50. Skinner started off hot but will likely cool, Pastrnak plays with Bergeron against the top lines so it will be tough for him, and until San Jose starts clicking Pavelski will be questionable. Sean and Johnny have not had a really hot streak yet. Provided the two of them stay healthy both should have career seasons... To add to that they are still building chemistry with Lindholm.
I expect KacKinnon's line and Sean's line compared all season as to which is better. Me personally I am looking forward to game 83 and on.
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While I very much so hope that Monahan gets 50, if his shooting stabilizes to his career norm, he's closer to 41 goals, which I think is still very worth celebrating.
Sure, but let's not forget that due to the goalie equipment changes, shooting percentage is up around the league and for a incredible shooter like Monahan, it's very possible that his new career norm could be in that 17%-19% range, although that would still mean his current shooting percentage (19.2%) drops just a tiny bit.
Tkachuk Norris
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Plus, I think the Flames tend to take more quality shots under Peters than the throw everything at the net Gulutzan philosophy.
I honestly feel like Monahan could have more goals this year. Even last game he could have had like 5.
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crackdown44
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100%. I'm just a cautious optimist, rather hope for 40, and be pleasantly surprised with 50 than disappointed if he doesn't hit it.
JPeeper
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Ignoring the obvious empty net goal he gave up against Minny (he passed back for some reason), he has had multiple odd man rushes and hasn't shot and instead passed. I want him being more greedy.
BobColesNasalCavity
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Honestly not even saying it as a Flames fan, but Monahan is probably the most underrated player in the league... moreso than Gio. Doesn't get any credit whatsoever, just labeled as a byproduct of playing with Johnny.
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