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Kane is 2 or 3 years younger and plays a different game. I think Lee will probably hold out for 7 years - the Islanders will press for 6. My guess is Lee wins that negotiation.
1 year younger
Kane is 2 or 3 years younger and plays a different game. I think Lee will probably hold out for 7 years - the Islanders will press for 6. My guess is Lee wins that negotiation.
Yeah my bad....right now it looks like they are 2 years apart as Lee already had his birthday.1 year younger
Staple is somewhat bullish on Ladd....I'm not quite sure I'm the same level but I've been saying/thinking that if he can have somewhat of a bounce back year and be effective, our team balance is SO much better. Who knows what the story with him is (health, not gelling here, etc.) but if he starts contributing (along with Nelson who at least has motivation in a contract year), we can roll 4 lines, which would be nice.
Better to play big and be big than play big and be small (see eg., Peca). Lee is kinda like a Tim Kerr (shortened career) and Dave Andreychuk (effective at 40). If he signs for 8 years we're talking about 36-37 years old at the end of the contract. Of course, by then $7 million might be 3rd line money.I think Lee deserves in the neighborhood of $7m. A a hometown discount, I'm guessing he'll settle on something a bit under. Where the issue lies is what the term will be. The dude is a physical specimen but he takes a beating. He probably won't settle for a 5 year deal but I'm sure an 8 year deal is a non-starter. So what do we give him? 6 years....7? 7 year deal seems like a long time for Lee and the game he plays.
Lowballing guys on contract offers has worked out so well for this organization so I see no reason not to continue to do so. This is a real terrible trend for this organization: nickle and dime the talented guys and shower total 4th line garbage in money.6 x 6.75
You realize the value of a UFA to be is greater when you have him for the full season rather than 2 months right? Give them the best offer now and if a deal can't be reached shop them. This is the lesson that should've been learned from having to trade Vanek for a used jock strap at the deadline.Lou has said a few times, when you have time on your side, use it. Anders does not have to be signed right now, they should see how he performs in the new system and without Tavares. Before the deadline, evaluate where he's at and offer him a fair contract accordingly. If he doesn't accept by the deadline, you've got to get as much as you can for him in trade. Same goes for Eberle and any other pending UFA from here on out.
You realize the value of a UFA to be is greater when you have him for the full season rather than 2 months right? Give them the best offer now and if a deal can't be reached shop them. This is the lesson that should've been learned from having to trade Vanek for a used jock strap at the deadline.
The problem with "wait and see" is what are you waiting to see? If you're waiting to see what the opening roster looks like....fine. We can re-sign him in October, no problem. But if you want to wait until the TDL or the end of the season, you may be poisoning the well and causing real problems. The time to get the hometown discount is now. Sign him now and you probably get Lee for 6 or 7 years for slightly under $7m AAV. Wait til the end of the year and its fully Market rate.
I'm not sure what LL wants to see....at least when it comes to Anders Lee. We fully know the strengths and limitations of the player. If you want to see how he produces without Tavares, that's a long wait. Can't really judge a veteran on one month of play. So if that's his plan, we are basically in to January and we are letting one of our core pieces dangle in the wind. Not a real smart move.
Am I the only one who thinks Lee doesn’t deserve $7 million per? Yes, he’s a great goal scorer. But that’s literally all he does. He sits in front of the net and pounds home rebounds and deflects pucks. Definitely useful and he’s one of the best at it, but that doesn’t make you a $7 million player. He doesn’t create offense, he’s not a great playmaker, he can play physical at times but he’s not an overly physical player, and while he has a good shot he doesn’t use it a ton. He’s a pretty one dimensional player and I just don’t feel comfortable giving a player like that a ton of money.
Good point you make about systems. Still, I don't see any system rendering Lee obsolete. He still gives defensemen big time headaches and is a beast on rebounds, we still need a net front presence of some sort.
Also, Lee's skillset is very hard to replace - there is no one in the farm that brings what he does.
Eberle on the other hand is skilled, but can be replaced relatively easily, either internally by Wahlstrom or Beauvillier (who can play RW and has a wicked shot) or perhaps via trade down the line.
Eventually I think we do see the killer B's Line of Bellows-Barzal-Beauvillier
Lowballing guys on contract offers has worked out so well for this organization so I see no reason not to continue to do so. This is a real terrible trend for this organization: nickle and dime the talented guys and shower total 4th line garbage in money.
Don't be nervous. Because worst case is they are traded and the team gets assets back.
I fully expect Lee to be re-signed. Eberle I'm not so sure of because of guys like Ho-Sang, Bellows, Walhstrom( I expect him to push for a roster spot in 19/20).
Who knows maybe MDC flips the switch.
There is no way, no chance I go near 8 million for Anders Lee. With him, I would "wait and see." We all disagree about this several times already, but Eberle to me is the safer bet for the foreseeable future. I think you could get him signed long term for like 6 million per year and I think his production will be the same this year, if not even better. If I had to bet, I would double down on Anders Lee not even sniffing 30 goals this year, let alone 40 (unless another real 2C is brought in). Anders Lee is the type of player who relies on the players getting him the puck, Eberle can create his own offense. When is the last time you have ever seen Anders Lee go end to end and put the puck in the net? Has it ever happened? He stands in front of the crease or picks up rebounds in the slot. No doubt he has great hands and is willing to take a beating, all great traits in a power forward, but even Bailey can create his own offense at times. Lee in my opinion will be by far the most impacted by Tavares leaving. Time will tell if I am right, but I would not be surprised to see Lee settle in as a 20-25 goal scorer consistently moving forward. Still useful if we can keep everybody, but I see Eberle and his chemistry with Barzal and see a 30-35 goal scorer potential for the next 5-6 years with his style of play.
I'm expecting the exact opposite. I think Eberle will be signed and Lee is a goner. Guy like Lee knows that his career is on a Mark Parrish type trajectory and his play style will eventually wither him away. He'll be looking for a pay day. Eberle is going to be okay with a cost of living increase and he's going to love playing with Barzal. That's my opinion anyway.
honestly thought 6.75 x 6 for Lee was fair for both sides ; that takes him up to 35 .Lowballing guys on contract offers has worked out so well for this organization so I see no reason not to continue to do so. This is a real terrible trend for this organization: nickle and dime the talented guys and shower total 4th line garbage in money.
Definitely useful and he’s one of the best at it, but that doesn’t make you a $7 million player. He doesn’t create offense, he’s not a great playmaker, he can play physical at times but he’s not an overly physical player, and while he has a good shot he doesn’t use it a ton. He’s a pretty one dimensional player and I just don’t feel comfortable giving a player like that a ton of money.
Don't be nervous. Because worst case is they are traded and the team gets assets back.
I fully expect Lee to be re-signed. Eberle I'm not so sure of because of guys like Ho-Sang, Bellows, Walhstrom( I expect him to push for a roster spot in 19/20).
Who knows maybe MDC flips the switch.
I don't think that deal is unreasonable. But I do think he'd insist on that 7th year. And I think the Islanders would have to give it to him. If they want to lock him up easily.honestly thought 6.75 x 6 for Lee was fair for both sides ; that takes him up to 35 .
Johnson's contract almost seems like Lou wants to insure he can send Ross down and nobody will pick him up on waivers
If he does get that many for us this season, I'm gonna bet right now that half of them are on the PP.
He said while there have been discussions, they haven't gone anywhere.Did Art saying anything about Nelson and his upcoming arbitration hearing?