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My comment was addressing the selection process. They will select knowing that any resurgence through the winter or spring will jeopardize the tournament, even if the resurgence is not in the host city.
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Ignoring any complications that the virus could present would be exceptionally short sighted on the part of the league in my opinion. This is serious and it should be the number 1 issue for them.
 

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Ignoring any complications that the virus could present would be exceptionally short sighted on the part of the league in my opinion. This is serious and it should be the number 1 issue for them.
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So Oshawa should present itself as being more aware and practised and closer to a greater amount of medical services in the event of another outbreak?
SSM is not going to win the bid on anything Covid.
 

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So Oshawa should present itself as being more aware and practised and closer to a greater amount of medical services in the event of another outbreak?
SSM is not going to win the bid on anything Covid.
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That's highly questionable speculation on your part, which I don't think needs to be a part of this conversation.

Facts and issues should inform the OHL's decisions, not your Trump style rhetoric.
 
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Fisher's Top 400 has 13(!) Greyhounds listed.

O'Rourke - 2nd Round
Pytlik - 3rd Round
Malik - 3rd Round
Kerins - 4th Round
Constantinou - 6th Round

Dickinson - Honourable Mention
Calisti - Honourable Mention

Johnston - On My Radar
Mufarreh - On My Radar
Carroll - On My Radar
Kartye - On My Radar
MacKay - On My Radar
Trott - On My Radar

The Hockey Writers: 2020 NHL Draft Rankings: Fisher's Top 400 for May.
https://thehockeywriters.com/2020-nhl-draft-rankings-may-fisher/
 
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Certainly interesting to hear guys like Friedman and Marek suggesting something like that is even a possibility, but I still think it's pretty remote.
 
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“BuT tHeY wIlL nEvEr CoMe. EnD oF sToRy.”

I’ve said it before, there is a plausible chance that an American player could be coming over this season. In particular I think Caufield currently has about a 30% chance at coming with this COVID thing aside. Beecher on the other hand I don’t think comes here at all, MAYBE in the situation described in the podcast.
It’ll be interesting to see what NHL team’s do with their prospects after this year’s draft.
 

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“BuT tHeY wIlL nEvEr CoMe. EnD oF sToRy.”

I’ve said it before, there is a plausible chance that an American player could be coming over this season. In particular I think Caufield currently has about a 30% chance at coming with this COVID thing aside. Beecher on the other hand I don’t think comes here at all, MAYBE in the situation described in the podcast.
It’ll be interesting to see what NHL team’s do with their prospects after this year’s draft.
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The podcast thing is a bit of a joke because the reality is that the CHL ain’t playing games if the NCAA isn’t. And what would be more likely to happen if no fans could attend games? The NCAA in that scenario would be more likely to play. The CHL must have full go for fans to play again, so that ain’t happening if for instance colleges aren’t even allowing classes to start back up on campus

I just think it’s highly unlikely that one of the two (CHL/NCAA) starts up way before the other or has a season while the other doesn’t. The CHL is at the mercy of government officials allowing mass gatherings. The NCAA, if they wanted to (particularly D1 programs) could say “we will play with no fans” so long as students are back on campuses. At least if students are back on campus, logically practicing and training can continue. But the CHL ain’t starting back up with anything until they know they can actually play games/have fans in the arenas
 

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The podcast thing is a bit of a joke because the reality is that the CHL ain’t playing games if the NCAA isn’t. And what would be more likely to happen if no fans could attend games? The NCAA in that scenario would be more likely to play. The CHL must have full go for fans to play again, so that ain’t happening if for instance colleges aren’t even allowing classes to start back up on campus

I just think it’s highly unlikely that one of the two (CHL/NCAA) starts up way before the other or has a season while the other doesn’t. The CHL is at the mercy of government officials allowing mass gatherings. The NCAA, if they wanted to (particularly D1 programs) could say “we will play with no fans” so long as students are back on campuses. At least if students are back on campus, logically practicing and training can continue. But the CHL ain’t starting back up with anything until they know they can actually play games/have fans in the arenas
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To make it simple, if the province of Ontario allows gatherings before the season starts (so that fans can attend) then they will start up normally. In the OHL you only need one province to start up (Ontario) and one state (Michigan).....no offence Erie :)

For the NCAA to start up they’ll need most of the states to allow mass gatherings, something that’s most likely farther away for the US as their much worse off in this COVID pandemic so far.

In that logic the podcast isn’t a joke, it actually makes factual sense. The CHL and NCAA are independent from one another and there very well could be one that starts before the other all things considered. Only thing is there’s about 4 months between now and then and anything can happen in 4 months. We could have 0 cases or millions, can’t say for sure until late July at earliest...
 

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To make it simple, if the province of Ontario allows gatherings before the season starts (so that fans can attend) then they will start up normally. In the OHL you only need one province to start up (Ontario) and one state (Michigan).....no offence Erie :)

For the NCAA to start up they’ll need most of the states to allow mass gatherings, something that’s most likely farther away for the US as their much worse off in this COVID pandemic so far.

In that logic the podcast isn’t a joke, it actually makes factual sense. The CHL and NCAA are independent from one another and there very well could be one that starts before the other all things considered. Only thing is there’s about 4 months between now and then and anything can happen in 4 months. We could have 0 cases or millions, can’t say for sure until late July at earliest...
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By that logic, when Canada is ready to start back up but the US isn’t .. the OHL will start the season without Erie/Flint/Saginaw?

Lol that will never happen. The OHL only will play when ALL teams are ready to go. It’s that simple. Otherwise they are asking for trouble. So I hate to toot your boat, but if you want OHL again, you should probably be just as concerned about Pennsylvania and Michigan cases and status of reopening as you are with Canada

So yes, in simple terms the NCAA and CHL will open around the same exact time. Not because of a planned thing but because they have the same hurdles to run before they even can play. If the NCAA can’t play, what makes it that the CHL can? Because it will all come down to social gathering .. which involves fans for the CHL more than anything and students on campus for the NCAA
 
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By that logic, when Canada is ready to start back up but the US isn’t .. the OHL will start the season without Erie/Flint/Saginaw?

Lol that will never happen. The OHL only will play when ALL teams are ready to go. It’s that simple. Otherwise they are asking for trouble. So I hate to toot your boat, but if you want OHL again, you should probably be just as concerned about Pennsylvania and Michigan cases and status of reopening as you are with Canada

So yes, in simple terms the NCAA and CHL will open around the same exact time. Not because of a planned thing but because they have the same hurdles to run before they even can play. If the NCAA can’t play, what makes it that the CHL can? Because it will all come down to social gathering .. which involves fans for the CHL more than anything and students on campus for the NCAA
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The only difference would be that whether Canada can have gatherings is dictated by the government, where University of Michigan or whichever school can have gathering and students on campus is based on their President since they're all privately owned. In theory a state could allow gatherings but the president of that school say no I'm not comfortable with this decision, my school is remaining closed to students
 
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The podcast thing is a bit of a joke because the reality is that the CHL ain’t playing games if the NCAA isn’t. And what would be more likely to happen if no fans could attend games? The NCAA in that scenario would be more likely to play. The CHL must have full go for fans to play again, so that ain’t happening if for instance colleges aren’t even allowing classes to start back up on campus

I just think it’s highly unlikely that one of the two (CHL/NCAA) starts up way before the other or has a season while the other doesn’t. The CHL is at the mercy of government officials allowing mass gatherings. The NCAA, if they wanted to (particularly D1 programs) could say “we will play with no fans” so long as students are back on campuses. At least if students are back on campus, logically practicing and training can continue. But the CHL ain’t starting back up with anything until they know they can actually play games/have fans in the arenas
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I'm taking Marek's word for this, but he has already seen unexpected and expedited signings of NCAA players. We could see more of this in the OHL before these scenarios even come to pass.
 

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By that logic, when Canada is ready to start back up but the US isn’t .. the OHL will start the season without Erie/Flint/Saginaw?

Lol that will never happen. The OHL only will play when ALL teams are ready to go. It’s that simple. Otherwise they are asking for trouble. So I hate to toot your boat, but if you want OHL again, you should probably be just as concerned about Pennsylvania and Michigan cases and status of reopening as you are with Canada

So yes, in simple terms the NCAA and CHL will open around the same exact time. Not because of a planned thing but because they have the same hurdles to run before they even can play. If the NCAA can’t play, what makes it that the CHL can? Because it will all come down to social gathering .. which involves fans for the CHL more than anything and students on campus for the NCAA
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Clearly you didn’t read my reply if you think I said the OHL can start without the American teams.
Had you read it you’d see we are agreeing that nothing starts until the physical distancing guidelines on mass gatherings change, something that’s far away.
 

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The only difference would be that whether Canada can have gatherings is dictated by the government, where University of Michigan or whichever school can have gathering and students on campus is based on their President since they're all privately owned. In theory a state could allow gatherings but the president of that school say no I'm not comfortable with this decision, my school is remaining closed to students
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That’s not going to happen though..

If all governments across the country in the US are good with social gatherings, schools would be too. They want their money. Sports (college football) and kids on campus make those bigger schools some serious money. They want them on campus. I see no scenario where college campuses are closed but everything else like sporting events with fans is back to more “normal.” And that is the scenario that has to happen for CHL to play. They NEED fans. Which means they NEED government approval. And at least here in the US, government approval for large gatherings at sporting events/casinos/ concerts is the last thing that will happen. College campuses though? That will happen sooner because it’s a less risky scenario and kids need school. People don’t need concerts or sports..
 
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That’s not going to happen though..

If all governments across the country in the US are good with social gatherings, schools would be too. They want their money. Sports (college football) and kids on campus make those bigger schools some serious money. They want them on campus. I see no scenario where college campuses are closed but everything else like sporting events with fans is back to more “normal.” And that is the scenario that has to happen for CHL to play. They NEED fans. Which means they NEED government approval. And at least here in the US, government approval for large gatherings at sporting events/casinos/ concerts is the last thing that will happen. College campuses though? That will happen sooner because it’s a less risky scenario and kids need school. People don’t need concerts or sports..
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You are most likely correct - however, a ton of talk (admittedly it is just talk) has occurred surrounding how this would all impact the NHL. I buy into a bit. The NHL would not benefit from zero development of their top prospects or potential top draft picks. If the NHL resumes without fans, watch for the possibility of money being coupled with government aid to supplement the CHL and allow for the season to commence without fans. Starting without fans and finishing with fans is a possibility. Maybe that is all it would take to officially start the season with the caution that it deserves. I am sure the cross boarder travel for the 3 American teams could be called essential. I know that several local people have travelled to southern Ontario through Michigan still. It has been a hit topic in our community that it has been allowed but that is a completely different conversation.
Many people on here have slammed their hand on the table while screaming “games won’t be played without fans”. I guess if that is the only revenue stream but if someone else is managing the financial burden, you have to rationalize that the chance is there that the season starts without fans... regardless of what the NCAA is doing.
 
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You are most likely correct - however, a ton of talk (admittedly it is just talk) has occurred surrounding how this would all impact the NHL. I buy into a bit. The NHL would not benefit from zero development of their top prospects or potential top draft picks. If the NHL resumes without fans, watch for the possibility of money being coupled with government aid to supplement the CHL and allow for the season to commence without fans. Starting without fans and finishing with fans is a possibility. Maybe that is all it would take to officially start the season with the caution that it deserves. I am sure the cross boarder travel for the 3 American teams could be called essential. I know that several local people have travelled to southern Ontario through Michigan still. It has been a hit topic in our community that it has been allowed but that is a completely different conversation.
Many people on here have slammed their hand on the table while screaming “games won’t be played without fans”. I guess if that is the only revenue stream but if someone else is managing the financial burden, you have to rationalize that the chance is there that the season starts without fans... regardless of what the NCAA is doing.
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That would be a possibility but the NHL hasn’t even been able to play without fans. Either has the MLB or NBA. So that has to happen first. And does the NHL really have the money for that? For 60 CHL teams? I personally doubt they do if they already lost out on all their playoff revenue plus a return with no fans would not be ideal for them either when they rely on the gate tickets way more than NBA or NFL.

That is certainly the only window I see for the CHL to return much before the NCAA. But there are other serious concerns and hurdles to go through.
 
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That would be a possibility but the NHL hasn’t even been able to play without fans. Either has the MLB or NBA. So that has to happen first. And does the NHL really have the money for that? For 60 CHL teams? I personally doubt they do if they already lost out on all their playoff revenue plus a return with no fans would not be ideal for them either when they rely on the gate tickets way more than NBA or NFL.

That is certainly the only window I see for the CHL to return much before the NCAA. But there are other serious concerns and hurdles to go through.
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I believe someone on here did the math prior.
Hypothetically - if every NHL team committed 3.5 million dollars it would allow for approximately 1.8 million to be issued to each CHL team. Again, I would imagine government money may be included and could potentially round that figure up to 2 million per team. Even if the teams operate at a higher budget, they may have to agree to flex a bit on their bottom line in order to make a situation workable.

NHL teams bury more than 3.5 million in defunct contracts in the minor leagues on a whim. I understand that those decisions are not made when NHL teams are losing money but to just throw away millions to make a player disappear tells me they could afford to invest some money in the sustainability of their development stream, even if times are tough.
 
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Just discovered that a couple more of our draft picks have gotten some attention in their NHL draft years.

Owen Parker
2002 born Owen Parker (G) drafted in the 10th round in 2018. Elite Prospects has him listed as 6'6" and 220 lbs.

thedraftanalyst had him at 291 in January:
2020 NHL Draft: Midseason Top 300 - The Draft Analyst

thehockeywriters had him at 340 in April:
https://thehockeywriters.com/2020-nhl-draft-rankings-april-fisher/



Finn Brown
2002 born Finn Brown (F) drafted in the 11th round in 2018 also received an "On My Radar" ranking from the hockeywriters in March:
https://thehockeywriters.com/2020-nhl-draft-rankings-march-fisher/
 
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