Even Crosby doesn't show up every game dude...
Showing up doesn't mean scoring, Iggy and co. were invisible tonight and it happens quite often. Their not getting any better either so really what is management trying to hold on to.
Even Crosby doesn't show up every game dude...
Except for the fact that only 50-60 players break 60 pts every year. Which Tangs has done or been on pace for the last two years. Jesus, I guess only ppg players who never have meh games are first liners eh
They also get every opportunity to play and tons off PP minutes. Compare them to other players in the league getting that many minutes and they are not that great.
I think I am reading that quote different than others.
I would focus on the "not tearing i down part" but would also emphasize the "understanding they have certain contractual issues"
This tells me that players have contracts that are ending could be moved, and maybe others to help the Flames get under the cap for next season. So I wouldn't be shocked to see 1 or 2 guys traded, or 3 if they are lesser salaries.
You mean to other first liners? That produce basically the same as them, not including the elite. They are both first liners. May not be upper echelon but they're there. Stats don't lie.
It's probably more disastrous if you combine the two. Not going to tear it down but will move some expiring contracts or longterm burdensome deals?
So essentially, instead of acquiring picks and prospects, we can expect 'hockey' deals where the Flames net players that can contribute now, and maybe in the future too. Everyone's banking on Iginla for a first and futures, but maybe it's Iginla for Stalberg and Frolik. Or Bouwmeester and a 2nd for Filppula and Quincey. Those are in the same vein as Regehr for Butler, Morrison for Connolly, White for Babchuk and Kostopolous, Jokinen and Prust for Kotalik and Higgens, etc.
There's a very good chance that Feaster and King set the franchise back a good half a decade or so in the next month with these kind of 'hockey' deals.
They are there but they are starting to be borderline. They are either average 1st liners or really good 2nd liners. But what it boils down to is our core is not good enough to win. And really hasn't been for a couple years.
Also stats may not lie but it seems like Iggy and Tanguay get a lot of points off of below average teams. When playing better teams they are out matched quite often.
It's probably more disastrous if you combine the two. Not going to tear it down but will move some expiring contracts or longterm burdensome deals?
So essentially, instead of acquiring picks and prospects, we can expect 'hockey' deals where the Flames net players that can contribute now, and maybe in the future too. Everyone's banking on Iginla for a first and futures, but maybe it's Iginla for Stalberg and Frolik. Or Bouwmeester and a 2nd for Filppula and Quincey. Those are in the same vein as Regehr for Butler, Morrison for Connolly, White for Babchuk and Kostopolous, Jokinen and Prust for Kotalik and Higgens, etc.
There's a very good chance that Feaster and King set the franchise back a good half a decade or so in the next month with these kind of 'hockey' deals.
I could give two ***** about the core not being good enough. You said Iggy, a bonfide 30g scorer and Tanguay, a 60-70 pt winger weren't first liners.. Good job trying to back track though, because they are..
And gimme some stats, lets see.
So we have a core that not good but they are 1st line players, makes no sense to me but ok. I am not trying to back track I still believe they are no longer 1st line talent.
Than you are wrong. I have already proved, compared to every other player in te league, they are.
Also for your "racking up points on weak teams theory". Iginla scored 11 of his 19 points against top 8 teams, while Tanguay scored 10 of his 19 against top 8. The #9 and 10 teams are PHX and DAL, which aren't exactly terrible. Iggy racked 4 pts against them while tangs racked 5. Against the really bad teams (CBJ, COL, EDM)? Both Iginla and Tangs managed to rack up a huge 4 points apiece.. Pretty much shoots that theory to ****.
Iggy has also been held pointless in 13 games this season, not really being a reliable 1st liner in my mind. Also hard to distinguish who really is a good team this year but this back to back home stand in LA they were very bad in my mind.
Iginla's a notorious slow starter, matter of fact, so is kipper but you wouldn't call him a borderline starter would you? Like I said, stats don't lie. He's there, so is Tanguay. Every play has off games or cold streaks.
So why are we at the bottom of the conference? Your saying its not our first line, but a big part of it is. Slow start or not they don't come up when it really matters.
Our first liners are playing adequate. Producing like first liners. Because they are first liners. We're last place because we have terrible team defense and subpar goaltending.
My point never was that our 1st line is great or doing awesome. It was/is that Tanguay and Iginla are 1st liners. Reading is your friend, try it sometime.
You really need to look into some medical help with your delusions. Feaster has never given anyone any reason to think he would pull of those kinds of trades.It's probably more disastrous if you combine the two. Not going to tear it down but will move some expiring contracts or longterm burdensome deals?
So essentially, instead of acquiring picks and prospects, we can expect 'hockey' deals where the Flames net players that can contribute now, and maybe in the future too. Everyone's banking on Iginla for a first and futures, but maybe it's Iginla for Stalberg and Frolik. Or Bouwmeester and a 2nd for Filppula and Quincey. Those are in the same vein as Regehr for Butler, Morrison for Connolly, White for Babchuk and Kostopolous, Jokinen and Prust for Kotalik and Higgens, etc.
There's a very good chance that Feaster and King set the franchise back a good half a decade or so in the next month with these kind of 'hockey' deals.
the Regehr trade was good, we dumped that anchor before he got as bad as he is now. He is no better than Butler and the Flames got out of cap jail.If we end up with more trades in the vein if the Regehr trade I very well may need a shrink to help me go day to day.
So now all first liners need to be extremely clutch? So lets see your thoughts on an ideal 1st liner, has to obviously be either a high 30s+ goal scorer, 70+pt getter, NOT play a lot of minutes in every situation, and has to be very clutch and score a ton of gtg and gwg. Right.
You really need to look into some medical help with your delusions. Feaster has never given anyone any reason to think he would pull of those kinds of trades.
considering all you ever say is blown out of proportion end of the world type posts how would anyone know any different?Feaster won't make 'hockey' trades when he strongly implies to anyone who's not wholly brain dead that that's all he's going to do? Particularly when you consider his trade history as GM of the Flames, if you're capable of doing so, and see that the vast majority of his transactions are 'hockey' deals?
Or are you just thick enough to think the two trade 'proposals' that I posted were serious predictions on what I thought might actually happen and not just exaggerated indications of what the Flames might do?