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InfinityIggy
Zagidulin's Dad
If we move our 1st, I may just have to boycott this team. At that point it would become clear management has no idea what they are doing, and are actively damaging the franchise. Unless we get something like Duchene or Schenn or something back, but that wont happen.
Ace Rimmer
Stoke me a clipper.
When your boat's on fire, you don't drill a big hole in the bottom of the boat to get some water to put the fire out.
I hope Feaster isn't this stupid / has that kind of pressure put on him by ownership.
tmurfin
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Not sure why your telling me all this? When it was never the argument. I was simply stating that they are first liners, thank god you finally understand
.. Also if I'm bored ill try dig up some stats (doubt it because its an argument filled with fallacies) on how "clutch" our top line is.
Ynnek
Registered User
But were only 6 points out of 3rd place and with a few bounces we would be a playoff team!!!! That is what management is probably thinking as they smoke some good stuff. This losing streak must continue or they will maintain the course.
Hand of Gaudreau
Gaudreaubey Baker
Who wouldn't be, he's in the last year of his contract, on the team in the city that is his home, and he entered the season hoping he'd be in a position where he wouldn't have to ask for a trade. Now said team is in last place, and in a downward spiral it doesn't look like they will come out of, and he has to go against everything he said he would do or would want to do and ask for an out, which he will get. What he doesn't realize I don't think is that the majority of us want two things: -Whats best for the team, which would be moving him for prospects and picks. -Whats best for him, which is a chance to live out his boyhood dream and raise the cup over his head.
I wish absolutely nothing but the best of luck in his future cup run(s), and hope that one day he finishes out his career here.
Hand of Gaudreau
Gaudreaubey Baker
Fans not going to games regardless of wins and losses this season would be the only way to send the message, if fans go when they win and not when they don't the only message they'll get is we must win now!
Not sure why your telling me all this? When it was never the argument. I was simply stating that they are first liners, thank god you finally understand
If you go to situational stats on yahoo it breaks it down quite well. One thing that stuck out to me is Iggy and Tanguay have produced quite well in the 9 games we have won about a ppg pace. In the 15 games we have lost they produce at about a .5ppg pace and have an awful +/-. This tells me that our top players show up and play about 30-40% of the time. You can read these in a lot of different ways but like you said its full of fallacies.
TheHudlinator
Registered User
Thornton must be a 2nd liner is has ppg of under .500 in games lost, Kovy is even worse 4 points in 14 games lost 3rd liner. Giroux is barely a first liner with .666 ppg when his team loses, Kessel has 4 points in 11 loses 2nd liner.
Almost all star players are hot and cold and teams generally lose when their stars aren't scoring, that doesn't make them 2nd liners that makes them human. Jesus some people look for anything to ***** about.
Beats By CoRD
Tommy Fresh
Last in the West boys. 25th in the league. Time to start looking to the future. Trade what we can. It's time.
What a shock, that when our top line doesn't score, we lose.
Gee, how revolutionary.
I'm not advocating that we keep the team the same, but I'm not saying we should blow it up either. I think a rebuild in the mold of Philly would be preferable to Edmonton style. Something where we keep our mentors, liquidate some assets, and push for the playoffs after a good draft.
What I was saying went completely over your head obviously, no **** top line players don't score as much in losses its the face that our 1st line players have only scored and won us 9 games, about a 1/3 of the games this year. I'm not even *****ing about anything I am simply saying our 1st line players are not good enough to win. I am critical of them and all of a sudden everyone gets their panties in a bunch.
Philly didn't keep their "mentors", they traded away their Captain and alternate Captain.
InfinityIggy
Zagidulin's Dad
Brier, Timonen ect, are still there. They may have moved their captains, but they still have some great veterans around.
Nordberg
Registered User
They had fairly good reason to though, I don't blame them for that decision. Their true leader was Chris Pronger, unfortunately he took a stick hard to the eye. Carter is no leader though... I mean really?
I think we need to keep a few veterans that can play hard minutes. Don't think that will ever be an issue in Calgary though.
They still kept Gagne, and Hatcher, no? I'd say they were pretty mentor-type players for the younger kids.
Hatcher retired in 07-08 season and Gagne left in 09-10.
Unless we are talking about seperate rebuilds? (I was referring to their recent rebuild two offseasons ago)
InfinityIggy
Zagidulin's Dad
Whoops, I was talking about their rebuild after 06-07. Sorry for not clarifying.
I think you're missing the point of wanting to style a retool after them, not how they are.
We should trade off some assets, but keep players that are producing. There needs to be a leadership change, sooner rather than later.
I agree with this, I don't mind keeping a guy like Tanguay for the rest of his contract. Are assets on the other hand to trade won't get the return Philly got on their players.
I'd like to see Iginla, one of Gio/Bouw, Kipper traded to speed up a retool. However with that said, if Iginla wants to stay here, he best be comfortable giving up his C and focus on playing on the second line.
Thats where the problem will come in, can't see Iggy going for that even though he should
