Sportsnet - "Maple Leafs will miss Hyman, see chance for other players to step up."

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  1. zeke

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    He's actually getting even more shots than usual lately, just for once he's not getting the puckluck lately.
     
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    his shooting % is low because he's not getting good shots off. Because hes not playing well.
     
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    JT AM da real deal Registered User

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    We need Hyman and someone else similar for the Bruins matchup. If we have ZERO forecheck then we are in big trouble. I think Marchment for Bruins series makes most sense when thinking about CAP. I would rather take CAP dollars this year to sign 2 vet UFAs like McQuaid and Bieska who can help us with what we are missing.
     
  4. BlueForever75

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    Which lineup do you think will be better against the Bruins, in the terms of tenacity, stick strength, forecheck?

    2017-18 - Matthews, Nylander, Hyman, Bozak, JVR, Komarov, Marleau, Marner, Kadri, Plekanec, Johnsson, Brown

    2018-19 - Matthews, Nylander, Kapanen, Hyman, Tavares, Marner, Johnsson, Kadri, Marleau, Brown, Gauthier, Lindholm, Moore

    I think it is pretty evident that this years lineup has more tenacity, forecheck, speed, skill and leadership then last season ever had. I dare the Bruins to try and match up lines this year. If they try they will get swept. Chara is 40+ years old, we will have his number this year. Vets decrease with age, our kids have only gotten stronger and wiser. Not to mention we only upgraded our weak links. What exactly has Boston upgraded? Or even TB for the matter since last year? Nothing.
     
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  5. JT AM da real deal

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    Look I agree 100% we got a better team up front. No one could argue that point. But when I look at this years team and I watch them play Bruins I only see Hyman effective on the forecheck. I have watched the 2 Boston games this year in Boston like 10X each over and over trying to figure out how we can beat them. I think we need another Hyman so we are not a 1 man gang on the forecheck. We need to play in theor end more.

    The Bruins play a very simple half ice game. Dump puck in. First guy hits defense second guy picks up puck and if they miss then 3rd guy high protecting against the stretch with 2 defense playing the walls tight. Once they get they start the cycle. We can't seem to get puck back.
     
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    hyman in ...NYLANDER OUT BREAKING NEWS
     
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    I don't like our match up with the Bruins one little bit.

    A) they know how to "tilt us"

    B) just like i called it before last years POs ( the ref imbalance will kill us), the power play opportunity imbalance was absolutely outrageous against the Bs and i am betting once again that will be greatly tilted against us.

    The Bs are the last team in the east i want us to face in the POs.
     
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    As per Babcock:

    “We’re not as good a hockey team without [Hyman],” Babcock says. “We’re not as heavy. We don’t forecheck as good. We don’t hang on to the puck in the O-zone. We’re not as good on the penalty kill.”

    So... Hyman is our team basically...
     
  9. Maple Leafs

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    He has a skill set that no else on the team has ... look at our PP, loaded with skilled players but struggling.
     
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    That's not at all what he's saying.

    Hyman is a good forechecker, our team often lacks that. We need more of that. Which is why people like the idea of Simmonds as a rental. So yes, Hyman being back, improves our team. I know the usage is sometimes frustrating, but Hyman makes our team better, even if not by a large margin, but being in the lineup.
     
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    Sportsnet is the epitome of fake news. Everything they do is wrong. No deviation here. Hyman is missed but there are many more important factors. Can you say N-y-l-a-n-d-e-r? for one.
     
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    He's a lineup fixture in our forward group. I'd also say a hardworking player generally can't all of a sudden become one of a team's most skilled if that potential isn't there to that degree. Conversely though, a team's most skilled player can become one of its hardest workers if that desire is there.
     
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    And that right there, is what is wrong with this team.

    That right there...is the inbetween lines of what the coaches think and subconsciously apply to this team -- Hard work will trump all! Grind more and grind harder!
    It leaks out onto our lineups and the way we deploy certain players at certain times.

    We need a new system which utilizes 2 TOP lines with NO plugs. If you dont have the speed and hands, you will get demoted.
    Moore should get more looks, and Kappy should be utilized more effectively with his breakaway chances. But we anchor him with slumping Kadri, and/or Old Marleau.

    Bottom 6 should be using Hyman to keep opponents Hemmed in, while we put on JT or Matthews line to score.

    This is what Boston does, this is what Tampa does.
    They dont add a plug beside Stamkos because he needs "help" lol

    This blaming it on our players is scapegoating how our system is just crap, and we get by STILL, because the talent on this team is unreal.
    But if they keep this system, this style of play, we will get bounced from the playoffs real ugly.

    DJ Smith needs to go. 3 years of this leaky hole covered by Talent and Freddy being a GOD.
    Babs has to buy into somthing new 100%, not just try it now and then and snicker at the results.
     
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    That's not saying much. Any "regular" that returns from injury will generally make a team better. IMO, Hyman does not improve this team as much as Babcock likes to believe.

    He's a bottom 6 guy, yet he gets first line ice time. I don't care how "heavy" he plays or how much he hustles or how hard he forechecks. He has well below average offensive talent... To the point where Tavares, Marner, Matthews and Nylander pretty much don't pass to him. They know the play will likely die on his stick.
     
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    Maple Leafs will miss Hyman. He is an effective player, important on special teams, and he helps his linemates significantly.
    This is a chance for other players, like Brown and Johnsson, to step up.

    What's the problem with their title? Both things they said are true. Seems like the only problem in this thread is people who don't understand the multiple aspects of hockey and what a player like Hyman brings to a team.
     
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    Simmons, McQuaid and Bieksa and we start to push the Bruins around. The ice tilts. And if anyone decides they want to do something about it well Chara will have 3 tough bouts. I don't think even Chara wants to go against those guys at 40. Maybe 1 guy yes. But when he steps back on ice and another guy says lets go I think it will be too much for him to handle. 10 years ago it was not enough but today it will work.
     
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    Bieksa is free.

    McQuaid shouldn't cost much.

    Simmonds may be a bit harder to acquire.

    If you get these three, what is your lineup suggestion?
     
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    Trade 4th Rounder and Borgman for McQuaid

    Trade Brown, Durzi and 2nd Rounder for Simmonds

    Trade Gardiner, Johnsson, 1st Rounder for Duncan Keith (20% retained)

    Simmonds - Matthews - Nylander
    Hyman-Tavares-Marner
    Marleau-Kadri-Kapanen
    Lindholm-Gauthier-M00re/Ennis

    Reilly-Keith
    Derm0tt-Zaitsev
    Hainsey-McQuaid
     
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    Simmonds could potentially be interesting, but he’s also not the same player he was 2-3 seasons ago, so I wouldn’t spend a ton to get him
     
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    I actually don't think the Hyman, Matthews, Nylander line was that bad. I don't think you take Hyman off the Marner/Tavares line now, but I don't think Matthews and Nylander knew how good they had it. Hyman freed up a lot of room for those two.
     
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    How Babcock reads the score sheet.

    2145CE4B-5E63-4CA9-971B-DF3278C76A4C.jpeg
     
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    Come on. This guy is all heart. Made sure to give that goal to Marner.

    He's a gamer and a pure leaf.
     
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    therealkoho Gary says it's A-OK

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    Absolutely not.

    If they decide they aren't keeping Gardiner (or Jake simply decides he won't stay), ship him to a team out West that won't make it past the second round (Colorado and Anaheim spring immediately to mind) for a futures package (2019 2nd, 2020 3rd and prospect).

    Duncan Keith is a first ballot hall of famer but he's no longer what he once was and at 35 isn't going to be getting better.
     
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    I like Hyman’s intensity- he plays with heart and grit and pisses the other team off - his impact was immediately when he returned last night. I don’t think he should be in the top line but better served on the second line. I trust Babcock

    I just feel like our team is more of a pushover without Zach. Like our team had much less physical presence- I’m happy he’s back
     
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