Alberta_OReilly_Fan
Bruin fan since 1975
so I see in another thread how Chiarelli sucked... and we should have had 3 cup wins with that team he got lucky and inherited. I decided to look at the rosters for the 5 years between 2011-2015 when he got fired after his 1 and only miss of the playoffs. I also am throwing light on the kids that got developed under his watch... the draft picks that were strategically picked to fill holes... asking if anyone would have kept a couple of the guys that were moved... and im wondering who was available that we didn't get?
heres the wall of text...
lets start with the 2011 cup winning team and see were we go...
hornton/krejci/lucic
recchi/bergeron/marchand
seguin/kelly/peverly
thornton/campbell/paille
caron
seidenberg/chara
boychuk/ferece
mcquaid/karberle
bartowski/hnidy
thomas
rask
pretty good team yes? personally I wanted to see it kept together... this was a young team with a ton of potential even after the devastating loss of marc Savard. I thought we could be looking at a dynasty but what happened next?
does anyone remember on january 23 2o12 the bruins visited the white house... and tim thomas decided his politics came ahead of the team unity.
the bruins record on that day was 26-12-2 cruising along as the beast in the east. they limped 23-17-2 the rest of the season and were roadkill for a strong washington capitals team with a very hot goalie come playoffs.
what did chiarelli do to help/hurt that team? how was it his fault Thomas didn't go to the white house and then created the s storm that followed? how was it Chiarelli's fault that holtby was incredible against us? lets see what the man actually did to keep that great cup team together for another chance...
horton/krecji/lucic remain intact
seguin/bergeron/marchand... we lose recchi to retirement
peverly/kelly/pouliot... was pouliot a horrible gamble?
thornton/campbell/paille
rolston
seidenberg/chara
boychuk/ference
mcquaid/krug
bartowski/corvo
rask
Thomas
honestly other than dealing with thomas {who had the ntc} what did chiarelli do so wrong? he kept the cup team together. we all would have freaked if he did anything different. but it was a very very very UNIQUE situation with thomas that turned the season upside down.
moving on to 2013 and we finally get thomas out of our hair as he takes the year off {screwing us the chance to deal him for assets in the process and sticking us with a massive 35+ cap penalty by the way}
we do go to the cup finals where bergeron gets the punctured lung... chara is playing with the busted hand... and a pretty damn good chicago team {yeah those guys that won 3 cups and were pretty damn good} manages to beat us in a very close series.
what did chiarelli do to help/hurt that team?
horton/krecji/lucic... yep still here
seguin/bergeron/marchand... yep still here
jagr/peverly/kelly... pretty damn impressive rental
thornton/campbell/paille... considered best 4th line in league
soderberg
seidenberg/chara
boychuk/ference
mcquaid/krug
hamilton/redden
rask
khubodin
so... was it chiarellis fault thomas flaked out and left the team? chiarelli brings in 2 impressive kids soderberg/hamilton... trades for a hof god in jagr... and picks up a pretty good backup in khubodin. with a bit better health to our 2 best players are you saying we didnt have a chance to beat chicago {and lets remember chicago was pretty damn good}
so now... the team is starting to get expensive
2013-14... the controversial tyler seguin trade.. does anyone think chiarelli does that without upper management in his ear? we all watched the behind the b's... we all have heard the spin doctoring afterwards. seguin was going to be moved no matter who the gm was. did we get enough for him? remember edmonton got 1 second pair dman for taylor hall. ryan johanson only brought back a dman with potentil {although looks very good now} and matt duchense was a cancer in the colorado locker room as he couldnt be traded for a year and 1/2 before finally being moved for kids/prospects that may or may not turn out.
Boston had just gone to 2 cup finals in 3 years... they needed immediate impact players and prospects that could possibly jump up and contribute right away... and they needed cap relief.
iginla was signed to replace the immediate production lost by seguin... 2 mill base hit {rest in bonus} Eriksson was traded for to upgrade over Jagr/Recchi as the cagey vet... and continuing the process of bringing up kids spooner/kevan miller were introduced... as well as finding a quality backup in chad johnson... not so bad given the huge cap crunch
is anyone suggesting we should have kept nathan horton? rumor was he was leaving to columbus for family reasons no matter what we offered... and it sure appears like he was damaged goods. chiarelli bit the bullet and made that call
iginla/krecji/lucic {good replacement for the top line}
smith/bergeron/marchand {say what you want about smith ending in boston... obviously the kid has talent}
eriksson/soderberg/kelly {the narrative is chiarelli kept overpriced 3rd liners around... but peverly is gone now}
thornton/campbell/paille
spooner
seidenberg/chara
Boychuk/krug {ferrence is gone... another high priced reserve}
hamilton/mcquaid
miller/meszaros
rask
Johnson
yes we lost in round II... in game 7... against the team we always jynx against... self destruct against... does chiarelli play the games? did anyone think that we would lose against montreal??? lets remember we were the presidents cup trophy. chiarelli build one hell of a team on paper. but the players need to play. they fell short. my strong belief is if we get past montreal we are going to the finals for the 3rd time in 4 years. chiarelli built a team that was a favorite to go...
this is a 4 year run without any mistakes other than the possible seguin trade... if you think there was better offers you can criticize that. otherwise good luck finding things to fault him
its not like we werent spending to the max... its not like we had room to bring in a crap load of other expensive talent
then we get to 2014-15 the last realistic year you can keep a cup team together before it needs massive rebuilding do to cap. and the year we do miss the playoffs and Chiarelli gets fired
some huge cap problems were developing due to the 4 great years we just had... iginla.. wanted a 3 year deal. does anyone think chiarelli should give him that? chiarelli lets the scouting team draft pastrnak knowing we were going to need to replace the top rw. johnny boychuk is moved due to cap reasons... the igninla penalty puts us into very tight cap restrictions. does anyone want boychuk here at 6 mill per year? the picks we get for boychuk are basically wasted on brent connolly... it didnt work but it wasnt the worlds worst ever gamble. he was a big winger/center drafted very high who had gone through injuries. sometimes those guys turn into the next cam neely/john leclair. not in this case
so what did our team look like?
eriksson/krecji/lucic
smith/bergeron/marchand
pastrnak/spooner/soderberg
thornton/campbell/paille
kelly/connolly
hamilton/chara
seidenberg/krug
mcquaid/miller
morrow
rask
Svedberg
honestly... its a pretty damn good job by chiarelli... hes now added pastrnak {we know how that turns out} hes added smith/spooner/soderberg {3 guys very valued by other teams} hes kept bergeron/marchand on 2 of the best contracts in hockey {the core guys from this group} hes making moves to replace thornton/campbell/paille with some of his draft picks/trades/free agent signings... he is gambling on hamilton to work out but so were we all. it isnt his fault hamilton wanted to play on an easier team. seidenbergs injury... was that something we can blame chiarelli? we might have been able to keep boychuk if we let seidenberg go... is that possible? eriksson was called the most underrated player in the nhl when we traded for him... then he scored 30 goals here. alot of fans were very irate when we didnt give him a 6 mill deal. i was cruxified when i said lucic had to be dealt. many many fans here insisted we should sign him.
honestly how bad a job did chiarelli do for these 5 seasons and how much can he be blamed for not getting us more than 1 cup?
is this really grounds to get fired???
really... let me know... id like to see concrete examples what he did so horrible???
meanwhile he gets criticized for not being able to draft... what was he picking for drafts?
2011 dougie hamilton... seems everyone here loves that pick
alexander khoklachev... still lots of fans of this pick
2012 malcolm subban... is looking ok now
matt grzelck... obviously a player
matt benning... looks established as an nhl talent
2013
peter cehlarik... lots of us insist this guy should play
ryan fizgerald... is he going to become a fixture on 4th line?
2014
pastrnak/donato/heinen/bjork... do i need to say more?
2015 opps chiarelli was fired despite this very good drafting record and keeping that championship team together... not getting suckered into long term contracts that needed to get bought out {other than seidenberg due to injuries} and actually keeping a core of the team together that to this day is still together. lots of the youngens chiarelli brought along are still very important players.
anyhow... thats my look at the last 5 years of chiarelli's run... his 2 trips to the cup finals... his 1 trip to the second round... and another 7 game loss in the tim Thomas year... and then his 1 and only miss of the playoffs.
so as I said at the beginning... my challenge now goes to the haters and the complainers. if you feel there was specific mistakes made then go ahead and defend your argument
most of us will give you the seguin trade... again I say that the behind the b's footage shows it was an organizational decision. and some will definitely argue keeping Seidenberg over boychuk didn't work out {but I will argue injuries can happen to anyone... and boychuk today is signed to a horrific contract}
some are going to argue chris Kelly was overpaid... but I will come up with an example 10 deep of third line centers that never had more than 20 goals/40 points who were paid 3 mill on long term deals. sorry, but his contract was reasonable and is what it cost to keep him.
ive laid out the facts. and I am interested to see if anyone can find facts that I missed to defend their take
heres the wall of text...
lets start with the 2011 cup winning team and see were we go...
hornton/krejci/lucic
recchi/bergeron/marchand
seguin/kelly/peverly
thornton/campbell/paille
caron
seidenberg/chara
boychuk/ferece
mcquaid/karberle
bartowski/hnidy
thomas
rask
pretty good team yes? personally I wanted to see it kept together... this was a young team with a ton of potential even after the devastating loss of marc Savard. I thought we could be looking at a dynasty but what happened next?
does anyone remember on january 23 2o12 the bruins visited the white house... and tim thomas decided his politics came ahead of the team unity.
the bruins record on that day was 26-12-2 cruising along as the beast in the east. they limped 23-17-2 the rest of the season and were roadkill for a strong washington capitals team with a very hot goalie come playoffs.
what did chiarelli do to help/hurt that team? how was it his fault Thomas didn't go to the white house and then created the s storm that followed? how was it Chiarelli's fault that holtby was incredible against us? lets see what the man actually did to keep that great cup team together for another chance...
horton/krecji/lucic remain intact
seguin/bergeron/marchand... we lose recchi to retirement
peverly/kelly/pouliot... was pouliot a horrible gamble?
thornton/campbell/paille
rolston
seidenberg/chara
boychuk/ference
mcquaid/krug
bartowski/corvo
rask
Thomas
honestly other than dealing with thomas {who had the ntc} what did chiarelli do so wrong? he kept the cup team together. we all would have freaked if he did anything different. but it was a very very very UNIQUE situation with thomas that turned the season upside down.
moving on to 2013 and we finally get thomas out of our hair as he takes the year off {screwing us the chance to deal him for assets in the process and sticking us with a massive 35+ cap penalty by the way}
we do go to the cup finals where bergeron gets the punctured lung... chara is playing with the busted hand... and a pretty damn good chicago team {yeah those guys that won 3 cups and were pretty damn good} manages to beat us in a very close series.
what did chiarelli do to help/hurt that team?
horton/krecji/lucic... yep still here
seguin/bergeron/marchand... yep still here
jagr/peverly/kelly... pretty damn impressive rental
thornton/campbell/paille... considered best 4th line in league
soderberg
seidenberg/chara
boychuk/ference
mcquaid/krug
hamilton/redden
rask
khubodin
so... was it chiarellis fault thomas flaked out and left the team? chiarelli brings in 2 impressive kids soderberg/hamilton... trades for a hof god in jagr... and picks up a pretty good backup in khubodin. with a bit better health to our 2 best players are you saying we didnt have a chance to beat chicago {and lets remember chicago was pretty damn good}
so now... the team is starting to get expensive
2013-14... the controversial tyler seguin trade.. does anyone think chiarelli does that without upper management in his ear? we all watched the behind the b's... we all have heard the spin doctoring afterwards. seguin was going to be moved no matter who the gm was. did we get enough for him? remember edmonton got 1 second pair dman for taylor hall. ryan johanson only brought back a dman with potentil {although looks very good now} and matt duchense was a cancer in the colorado locker room as he couldnt be traded for a year and 1/2 before finally being moved for kids/prospects that may or may not turn out.
Boston had just gone to 2 cup finals in 3 years... they needed immediate impact players and prospects that could possibly jump up and contribute right away... and they needed cap relief.
iginla was signed to replace the immediate production lost by seguin... 2 mill base hit {rest in bonus} Eriksson was traded for to upgrade over Jagr/Recchi as the cagey vet... and continuing the process of bringing up kids spooner/kevan miller were introduced... as well as finding a quality backup in chad johnson... not so bad given the huge cap crunch
is anyone suggesting we should have kept nathan horton? rumor was he was leaving to columbus for family reasons no matter what we offered... and it sure appears like he was damaged goods. chiarelli bit the bullet and made that call
iginla/krecji/lucic {good replacement for the top line}
smith/bergeron/marchand {say what you want about smith ending in boston... obviously the kid has talent}
eriksson/soderberg/kelly {the narrative is chiarelli kept overpriced 3rd liners around... but peverly is gone now}
thornton/campbell/paille
spooner
seidenberg/chara
Boychuk/krug {ferrence is gone... another high priced reserve}
hamilton/mcquaid
miller/meszaros
rask
Johnson
yes we lost in round II... in game 7... against the team we always jynx against... self destruct against... does chiarelli play the games? did anyone think that we would lose against montreal??? lets remember we were the presidents cup trophy. chiarelli build one hell of a team on paper. but the players need to play. they fell short. my strong belief is if we get past montreal we are going to the finals for the 3rd time in 4 years. chiarelli built a team that was a favorite to go...
this is a 4 year run without any mistakes other than the possible seguin trade... if you think there was better offers you can criticize that. otherwise good luck finding things to fault him
its not like we werent spending to the max... its not like we had room to bring in a crap load of other expensive talent
then we get to 2014-15 the last realistic year you can keep a cup team together before it needs massive rebuilding do to cap. and the year we do miss the playoffs and Chiarelli gets fired
some huge cap problems were developing due to the 4 great years we just had... iginla.. wanted a 3 year deal. does anyone think chiarelli should give him that? chiarelli lets the scouting team draft pastrnak knowing we were going to need to replace the top rw. johnny boychuk is moved due to cap reasons... the igninla penalty puts us into very tight cap restrictions. does anyone want boychuk here at 6 mill per year? the picks we get for boychuk are basically wasted on brent connolly... it didnt work but it wasnt the worlds worst ever gamble. he was a big winger/center drafted very high who had gone through injuries. sometimes those guys turn into the next cam neely/john leclair. not in this case
so what did our team look like?
eriksson/krecji/lucic
smith/bergeron/marchand
pastrnak/spooner/soderberg
thornton/campbell/paille
kelly/connolly
hamilton/chara
seidenberg/krug
mcquaid/miller
morrow
rask
Svedberg
honestly... its a pretty damn good job by chiarelli... hes now added pastrnak {we know how that turns out} hes added smith/spooner/soderberg {3 guys very valued by other teams} hes kept bergeron/marchand on 2 of the best contracts in hockey {the core guys from this group} hes making moves to replace thornton/campbell/paille with some of his draft picks/trades/free agent signings... he is gambling on hamilton to work out but so were we all. it isnt his fault hamilton wanted to play on an easier team. seidenbergs injury... was that something we can blame chiarelli? we might have been able to keep boychuk if we let seidenberg go... is that possible? eriksson was called the most underrated player in the nhl when we traded for him... then he scored 30 goals here. alot of fans were very irate when we didnt give him a 6 mill deal. i was cruxified when i said lucic had to be dealt. many many fans here insisted we should sign him.
honestly how bad a job did chiarelli do for these 5 seasons and how much can he be blamed for not getting us more than 1 cup?
is this really grounds to get fired???
really... let me know... id like to see concrete examples what he did so horrible???
meanwhile he gets criticized for not being able to draft... what was he picking for drafts?
2011 dougie hamilton... seems everyone here loves that pick
alexander khoklachev... still lots of fans of this pick
2012 malcolm subban... is looking ok now
matt grzelck... obviously a player
matt benning... looks established as an nhl talent
2013
peter cehlarik... lots of us insist this guy should play
ryan fizgerald... is he going to become a fixture on 4th line?
2014
pastrnak/donato/heinen/bjork... do i need to say more?
2015 opps chiarelli was fired despite this very good drafting record and keeping that championship team together... not getting suckered into long term contracts that needed to get bought out {other than seidenberg due to injuries} and actually keeping a core of the team together that to this day is still together. lots of the youngens chiarelli brought along are still very important players.
anyhow... thats my look at the last 5 years of chiarelli's run... his 2 trips to the cup finals... his 1 trip to the second round... and another 7 game loss in the tim Thomas year... and then his 1 and only miss of the playoffs.
so as I said at the beginning... my challenge now goes to the haters and the complainers. if you feel there was specific mistakes made then go ahead and defend your argument
most of us will give you the seguin trade... again I say that the behind the b's footage shows it was an organizational decision. and some will definitely argue keeping Seidenberg over boychuk didn't work out {but I will argue injuries can happen to anyone... and boychuk today is signed to a horrific contract}
some are going to argue chris Kelly was overpaid... but I will come up with an example 10 deep of third line centers that never had more than 20 goals/40 points who were paid 3 mill on long term deals. sorry, but his contract was reasonable and is what it cost to keep him.
ive laid out the facts. and I am interested to see if anyone can find facts that I missed to defend their take
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