Value of: Slava Voynov’s rights

[greasysnapper]

Voynov and his family have been living in Florida this summer while he awaits an NHL decision which seems to be continually kicked down the road by the NHL, hoping he'll just sign in the KHL. Of the two Florida state teams, who likely is the best fit?


I think both teams could use him and have a nice little Russian element, and I think Tallon has shown he doesn't really care about off ice distractions if he believes in the player on and off the ice (see Hoffman).

 

[Spazkat]

Voynov and his family have been living in Florida this summer while he awaits an NHL decision which seems to be continually kicked down the road by the NHL, hoping he'll just sign in the KHL. Of the two Florida state teams, who likely is the best fit?


I think both teams could use him and have a nice little Russian element, and I think Tallon has shown he doesn't really care about off ice distractions if he believes in the player on and off the ice (see Hoffman).

But does he really want to turn the Panthers into the island of misfit toys?

 

[Wyzer Plan]

But does he really want to turn the Panthers into the island of misfit toys?

If they win the cup who cares?

 

[Dr Pepper]

Voynov and his family have been living in Florida this summer while he awaits an NHL decision which seems to be continually kicked down the road by the NHL, hoping he'll just sign in the KHL. Of the two Florida state teams, who likely is the best fit?


I think both teams could use him and have a nice little Russian element, and I think Tallon has shown he doesn't really care about off ice distractions if he believes in the player on and off the ice (see Hoffman).

Hoffman was pretty much railroaded out of Ottawa on hearsay alone....lucky for him, too, as Florida seems to be in far better shape than the Sens are right now, from top to bottom. The recent developments with Karlsson's wife not having a shred of evidence to link Hoffman's fiancee to any alleged "abuse" just adds more to the notion that it was entirely fabricated from the get-go. Which is what Hoffman's camp said all along.

 

[YP44]

I maybe dreaming but I wonder what LA would have to add to get Tippett.

 

[Unspecified]

I wouldn't even trade Burns' dental bridge for Voynov

 

[YP44]

I wouldn't even trade Burns' dental bridge for Voynov

neat....a team that wants to win may though

 

[Unspecified]

neat....a team that wants to win may though

I'm sure all teams what to win but bringing in a documented woman beater could only have positive results from a PR standpoint.

In the age we live in now there would be outrage and rightfully so. No team is going to touch that.

 

[Faltorvo]

MOD: Does anyone actually want to discuss the value of Voynov’s rights?

i would offer a 2nd and B prospect.

 

[Faltorvo]

I'm sure all teams what to win but bringing in a documented woman beater could only have positive results from a PR standpoint.

In the age we live in now there would be outrage and rightfully so. No team is going to touch that.

funny,,, you know who has forgiven him?

his wife and they have started a young family

and so have the courts

but nooooo nooo the morally outraged SJWs will NOT stand for this

the courts/law/judge said , we cool

his WIFE was cool enough to start a family with him

but you folks that want to stick your unwanted noses into their lives want to denied her and her child a NHL paycheck and make them live in Russia

bloody shame on you creeps.

 

[YP44]

I'm sure all teams what to win but bringing in a documented woman beater could only have positive results from a PR standpoint.

In the age we live in now there would be outrage and rightfully so. No team is going to touch that.

How do you explain Austin Watson? Voynov has been punished much more than Watson but yet I have not seen much a of backlash about Watson being a predator (no Pun intended).

I get the act was/is despicable, I get holding NHL players to higher standards and that playing in the league is a luxury. But I also get that the legal system should trump the NHL's department of player safety and not the other way around, I get that owners want to win and get $$, and I get that second chances happen (whether I think they should or not).

 

[Faltorvo]

Can you point to anything he’s done to SHOW he’s rehabilitated himself? SHOW people the DV groups he’s donated to. SHOW people the statements he’s made saying how bad DV is?

No? Then he hasn’t SHOWN anyone that he deserves forgiveness. Next time look at what the post you’re refuting actually says I didn’t say he doesn’t DESERVE forgiveness. I said he hasn’t done enough to SHOW he deserves forgiveness. And he hasn’t.

he does not have to show a damn thing to the like of you mate, your opinion means absolutely NOTHING here

but he has shown it to the courts and to his wife,, who had a child with him recently.

 

[Starat327]

This one should've stayed dead.

 

[McSuper]

Exception to the rules explains the need for the rule...You can't use the marginal case to justify anything. I didn't imply that it never happens and hope the NHL does the right thing.

While I agree VV should be given a 2nd chance under tight guidelines . But marginal case to justify anything ? Hence lies the problem . People down play stuff to justify their view points . Society as a whole should view this behaviour as total unacceptable . This is everyones problem and if seen we all should step in and take an active role in stopping this violence against our fellow man/woman .

Having said the above I would give him a chance on the Oilers if he was cheap to acquire , 2 cheap to sign and the 3rd 1 I am unsure of the NHLPA would allow it . Make it a condition he volunteers at a woman shelter . Let him see first hand how violence destories families .

My offer would be Lucic at 70% Oilers retain 30% + 2nd as long as VV agreed to a deal before hand at 3.2 for 3 years and of of course agree to the 3rd condition mention above .

breaks down to LA get Lucic at 4.2 million

1.8 retained plus 3.2 for VV The Oilers gets a top 4 D for a total of 5 million for the next 3 years

If LA don't like the offer thats fine find another team to paddle him to

 

[Starat327]

While I agree VV should be given a 2nd chance under tight guidelines . But marginal case to justify anything ? Hence lies the problem . People down play stuff to justify their view points . Society as a whole should view this behaviour as total unacceptable . This is everyones problem and if seen we all should step in and take an active role in stopping this violence against our fellow man/woman .

Having said the above I would give him a chance on the Oilers if he was cheap to acquire , 2 cheap to sign and the 3rd 1 I am unsure of the NHLPA would allow it . Make it a condition he volunteers at a woman shelter . Let him see first hand how violence destories families .

The third requirement you listed was dictated by the courts as part of his punishment. I do agree that if brought back he should serve additional time in supporting those shelters, but its not like he wasnt already sentenced to that, either.

 

[tny760]

Some of you need to put down the pitch forks. Voyonov has paid a steeper penalty than Dan Heatley ffs
Hes paid his price and deserves a 2nd chance but I know you saints are all perfect
(For the record Ive never hit a woman nor condone it)

crazy how the dany heatley argument is ignored by these people

he killed a guy and effectively walked right back into his career

 

[McSuper]

The third requirement you listed was dictated by the courts as part of his punishment. I do agree that if brought back he should serve additional time in supporting those shelters, but its not like he wasnt already sentenced to that, either.

I wasn't aware of that . Never the less i would want more from him . If he truly remorseful he should have no problem helping others see the light and if he only did it because it was a court order I am sure it would come out

 

[Starat327]

I wasn't aware of that . Never the less i would want more from him . If he truly remorseful he should have no problem helping others see the light and if he only did it because it was a court order I am sure it would come out

Granted, it was a limited amount of hours (10 or so, IIRC), but it also included 52 weeks of abuse training/counseling (again, IIRC).

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

Voynov and his family have been living in Florida this summer while he awaits an NHL decision which seems to be continually kicked down the road by the NHL, hoping he'll just sign in the KHL. Of the two Florida state teams, who likely is the best fit?


I think both teams could use him and have a nice little Russian element, and I think Tallon has shown he doesn't really care about off ice distractions if he believes in the player on and off the ice (see Hoffman).

Did you compared Hoffman wife on wife problem VS a women beater ?
Beating off your wife is a bigger problem than " off-ice problem" wtf ?

 

[McSuper]

crazy how the dany heatley argument is ignored by these people

he killed a guy and effectively walked right back into his career

Danny Heatley did a terrible thing . He killed his best friend . But Danny Heatley never tried to do that . It happen because he made bad a decision . VV beating his wife was intentional . A Man that beats his wife is trying to control her . If he wants to be a tough guy and beat on something through his ass in a cage with a wild animal see how he enjoys beating on them .

 

[Starat327]

Did you compared Hoffman wife on wife problem VS a women beater ?
Beating off your wife is a bigger problem than " off-ice problem" wtf ?

Literally 0 comparison was drawn between the two. Keep making things up though.

 

[Starat327]

Danny Heatley did a terrible thing . He killed his best friend . But Danny Heatley never tried to do that . It happen because he made bad a decision . VV beating his wife was intentional . A Man that beats his wife is trying to control her . If he wants to be a tough guy and beat on something through his ass in a cage with a wild animal see how he enjoys beating on them .

You could easily argue that making the decision to drive drunk is just as bad if not worse. You're playing god and putting not only your life, but everyone else's on the road's, at risk. You don't get to blame alcohol for your 'bad decision' here.

 

[tny760]

Danny Heatley did a terrible thing . He killed his best friend . But Danny Heatley never tried to do that . It happen because he made bad a decision . VV beating his wife was intentional . A Man that beats his wife is trying to control her . If he wants to be a tough guy and beat on something through his ass in a cage with a wild animal see how he enjoys beating on them .

that's some bullshit dude

speeding is a bad decision, street racing is a bad decision, driving drunk is a bad decision, doing all that at the same time is a hell of a lot more than a bad decision, it's about 20 rolled up into one. that's like saying cheating on your wife is a bad decision.. nah you made a lot of bad decisions to even make it an option. i don't defend what slava did but the f***in rhetoric is exhausting.

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

Literally 0 comparison was drawn between the two. Keep making things up though.

Re read again, he compared the Wife beating problem to a off-ice situation that the GM would just ignore.

making false claim that I do false claim ? you are as funny as your picture ( sarcasm if you don't know)

 

[Starat327]

Re read again, he compared the Wife beating problem to a off-ice situation that the GM would just ignore.

making false claim that I do false claim ? you are as funny as your picture ( sarcasm if you don't know)

Saying Tallon doesnt care about off ice distractions is not a comparison of the two events. It's also not necessarily a true statement, but that doesnt mean hes comparing wife beating to having a catty fiance.