Proposal: SJS-MTL/OTT/DAL/NYI

[danyhabsfan]

Gambrell is a 2nd round pick.

So I could basically every player on Montreal for Labanc since he's a 6th round pick?

 

[Gecklund]

So I could basically every player on Montreal for Labanc since he's a 6th round pick?

And why is that? What exactly has Gambrell done to lower his value? He played his first season in the AHL last season. He was almost a PPG. He was a PPG at Denver every season. He might not be fully NHL ready but that’s fine.

 

[danyhabsfan]

And why is that? What exactly has Gambrell done to lower his value? He played his first season in the AHL last season. He was almost a PPG. He was a PPG at Denver every season. He might not be fully NHL ready but that’s fine.

being 23 years old and not being good in the NHL?

 

[Gecklund]

being 23 years old and not being good in the NHL?

How about being a pro for 2 seasons and not being fully NHL ready? It’s not like 2 seasons pro is super long.

 

[Captain Mountain]

How about being a pro for 2 seasons and not being fully NHL ready? It’s not like 2 seasons pro is super long.

We're also talking about a guy that's a season away from being in the Ho-Sang category. If he doesn't establish himself as an NHLer this season or next pre-season, he's waiver-wire fodder.

He's been real good in the AHL, but he has to take the next step now. And Montreal certainly doesn't have more roster space than San Jose to give him room to establish himself.

 

[Gecklund]

We're also talking about a guy that's a season away from being in the Ho-Sang category. If he doesn't establish himself as an NHLer this season or next pre-season, he's waiver-wire fodder.

He's been real good in the AHL, but he has to take the next step now. And Montreal certainly doesn't have more roster space than San Jose to give him room to establish himself.

Josh Ho Sang has had 4 seasons to establish himself. Not only that Gambrell’s first season in the AHL was better than any other season that Ho Sang has had in the AHL. Not even close to comparable.

 

[Captain Mountain]

Josh Ho Sang has had 4 seasons to establish himself. Not only that Gambrell’s first season in the AHL was better than any other season that Ho Sang has had in the AHL. Not even close to comparable.

It has absolutely nothing to do with how long a player has or hasn't had to establish themselves and everything to do with Gambrell requiring waivers next season. If he's not an NHLer, he's a waiver-wire player.

 

[xNogaitx]

Terrible. Just awful. Dillon is likely worth around the same as Byron so no you aren’t getting a good prospect too

As I stated. I don't believe this is Byron's value, at all. Simply stating what the likely price would be from Mtl's POV. (An unproven young prospect with a higher ceiling than Byron (so a guy that could end up in the 40-55 pts per season range) but that isn't there yet.

Sadly for the Sharks, there's only 2-3 guys in your prospect pool that fit that bill.

The reason being that the Sharks get an immediate boost of a guy that's middle 6, 20G/15A type player on a retained contract for 4 more years. Whereas Montréal would be gambling on said prospect to pan out. Which carries uncertainty and risk, thus why the "higher ceiling" that would be asked for in a trade.

But I fully agree/understand that if Chmelevski does pan out, he'll be a much better player than Byron is.

 

[themelkman]

As I stated. I don't believe this is Byron's value, at all. Simply stating what the likely price would be from Mtl's POV. (An unproven young prospect with a higher ceiling than Byron (so a guy that could end up in the 40-55 pts per season range) but that isn't there yet.

Sadly for the Sharks, there's only 2-3 guys in your prospect pool that fit that bill.

The reason being that the Sharks get an immediate boost of a guy that's middle 6, 20G/15A type player on a retained contract for 4 more years. Whereas Montréal would be gambling on said prospect to pan out. Which carries uncertainty and risk, thus why the "higher ceiling" that would be asked for in a trade.

But I fully agree/understand that if Chmelevski does pan out, he'll be a much better player than Byron is.

Trades like that don’t usually happen. Teams don’t trade one of their top ten prospects for bottom six players, even if they are solid at what they do

 

[xNogaitx]

Trades like that don’t usually happen. Teams don’t trade one of their top ten prospects for bottom six players, even if they are solid at what they do

There I would have to disagree.

It's far from uncommon to see a team that's "on the cusp of winning" to forgo prospects for sure value when the organization sees their "window" to be shorter than the period of time believed until such time that the prospect will be an NHL impact player (if ever).

So in this scenario, based on the age of the Sharks' core group, one could say that their window is the next 3 maybe 4 years.

Will Chmelevski be an NHL impact player:
This year? No (in the AHL)
Next year? Unlikely (either still in AHL or a rookie)
In 3 years? Maybe, but probably not high-end two way just yet.
In 4 years? My money is on him putting up more points than Byron by then.

So again, if the team thinks it's "now or never", such a move would likely take place. Even if face value favors the other team "long term".

 

[lamp9post]

Mtl is definitely a no.

Byron will move up and down the lineup... like when he played with drouin and domi in the third period last night.

Hes also on the teams top pk unit and hes used in shootouts.

Hes a really important player and i dont see him as expendable at all

Agreed. Given Montreal's lack of star talent up front, they need quality depth like Byron to balance their lineup. There are few (if any) players in the league that can impact the game from the 4th line like Byron can. He also wears an 'A', is very good on shootouts, is a top PK'er, can move up and down the lineup, and is one of the fastest players in the league. The optics of him playing on the 4th line doesn't reflect his value to the team.

 

[fasterthanlight]

<whisper> have we tricked other teams into thinking Gambrell is good yet? </whisper>

 

[Captain Mountain]

<whisper> have we tricked other teams into thinking Gambrell is good yet? </whisper>

About as effective as Habs fans have been at tricking other teams into thinking Hudon is a good player.

 

[Gecklund]

<whisper> have we tricked other teams into thinking Gambrell is good yet? </whisper>

He’s just not NHL ready and Pete is trying to shoehorn him into a role.

 

[fasterthanlight]

He’s just not NHL ready and Pete is trying to shoehorn him into a role.

I definitely agree, just trolling a bit. His AHL scoring rate is promising, and I do think his best NHL days are in front of him (though I can't blame other fans for not assigning him value)

 

[Gecklund]

I definitely agree, just trolling a bit. His AHL scoring rate is promising, and I do think his best NHL days are in front of him (though I can't blame other fans for not assigning him value)

I think we will see what happens by the end of the season. I think he will figure something out.

 

[FerrisRox]

This is 100% a reactionary post. Just thought I’d clarify that before anyone else does. I think 3 trades would really improve this team. Also I am mainly thinking of this from the Sharks perspective. I tried to think from other side but don’t know needs/availability as well as fans. If I’m 100% wrong on needs/availability, is there a way to improve the trade?

To sharks: Paul Byron
To Habs: Melker+Gambrell

Tatar-Danault-Gallagher
Lehkonen-Domi-Suzuki
Drouin-Kotka-Armia
Melker-Thompson-Weal

What would the reason be that Montreal trades away a speedy two way forward who kills penalties and is a staple of the shootout while being good for 20 goals to add a fourth line winger when they already have numerous options for that job already (Nick Cousins on the big club, Dale Weise, Ryan Poehling, Matt Peca, Riley Barber in the AHL.)

I don't understand what reason Montreal would have to do this.

 

[Gecklund]

What would the reason be that Montreal trades away a speedy two way forward who kills penalties and is a staple of the shootout while being good for 20 goals to add a fourth line winger when they already have numerous options for that job already (Nick Cousins on the big club, Dale Weise, Ryan Poehling, Matt Peca, Riley Barber in the AHL.)

I don't understand what reason Montreal would have to do this.

Well if you actually read it you’d see the reasoning. I understand that I was mistaken. It’s not hard to see my reasoning though.

 

[FerrisRox]

Well if you actually read it you’d see the reasoning. I understand that I was mistaken. It’s not hard to see my reasoning though.

I did read and I find your reasoning very difficult to understand. Your "reasoning" appears to be because he played on the fourth line on Saturday he is therefore "expendable" and if he's expendable than the Canadiens don't need or want to receive anything of actual value or help to them in return.

 

[Gecklund]

I did read and I find your reasoning very difficult to understand. Your "reasoning" appears to be because he played on the fourth line on Saturday he is therefore "expendable" and if he's expendable than the Canadiens don't need or want to receive anything of actual value or help to them in return.

He was on the fourth line. They got a cheaper fourth liner and a good prospect for someone on the fourth line. Is that hard to understand?

 

[FerrisRox]

He was on the fourth line. They got a cheaper fourth liner and a good prospect for someone on the fourth line. Is that hard to understand?

Very.

As explained Paul Byron is one of the fastest players in the league, scores 20 goals, kills penalties and plays a solid two way game. Getting a "cheaper fourth liner" for him is an awful return and adding Gambrell who is 23 and would be slotted in behind Montreal centre prospects in Kotkaniemi, Poehling and Suzuki who are all better and younger isn't addressing any needs either.

So yeah, it's hard to understand the 'reasoning' for Montreal making such a disastrous and one-sided trade.

 

[Gecklund]

Very.

As explained Paul Byron is one of the fastest players in the league, scores 20 goals, kills penalties and plays a solid two way game. Getting a "cheaper fourth liner" for him is an awful return and adding Gambrell who is 23 and would be slotted in behind Montreal centre prospects in Kotkaniemi, Poehling and Suzuki who are all better and younger isn't addressing any needs either.

So yeah, it's hard to understand the 'reasoning' for Montreal making such a disastrous and one-sided trade.

Do you want to read my response to you again? I specifically said I was mistaken or is that too hard for you to understand?

 

[FerrisRox]

Do you want to read my response to you again? I specifically said I was mistaken or is that too hard for you to understand?

Why are you being so hostile and aggressive?

Why ask a question if you are going to fly off the handle and get all riled up if you don't like the answer?

What's wrong with you?

 

[hilarnat]

Paul Byron is a very effective, versatile and proven player since he's been in MTL. At 3.4M, there's no way I'd trade him unless it's for a proven prospect, and I doubt any reasonable GM would do that.

 

[Gecklund]

Why are you being so hostile and aggressive?

Why ask a question if you are going to fly off the handle and get all riled up if you don't like the answer?

What's wrong with you?

I’m not the problem here. It’s not hard to read a post or a thread.

Took out Byron trade because obviously reading the thread is a task for people.