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i wouldn't trade any of our firsts until we've established ourselves as a rock solid playoff team,
Simmonds and Voracek time to go
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i wouldn't trade any of our firsts until we've established ourselves as a rock solid playoff team,
Patrick and Frost aren't good enough to be No. 2s next season. The best teams in the Eastern Conference have absolute monsters at 2C.
Rich Nixon
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Because the cap dump is not a 1 year thing. It's 4 and a half years!!!!!!!!!!
What's wrong with just saying "no...Philly will never take Lucic"????
Well, this is an offseason idea anyway, so forget the half.
There's nothing wrong with saying it, but the notion was to assume the negative value to get a better price on the thing you're after, knowing that you can afford to hold that negative value under certain conditions (re: NMC, ~1.5 million to 2 million retained) because it will cause no harm in the short or long term. They have more than $30 million in cap space next season with some big RFAs to resign, but they'll still have a huge amount of room for the foreseeable future-they're in a rare position of actually being able to take a cap dump if it means getting a good piece along with it. If there was any concern about eventually not being able to resign talent because of that cap dump, it's a different story.
In the context of a broader situation, I laid the idea out pretty logically. You do the favor to get the cheapest price on a fantastic player. It's a non-starter on your end, which is a fine position to have, but given the team's cap situation, I don't know what you'd be upholding other than principle.
Even considering age, position and cost, I'm not sure I'd take Draisatl over Panarin.
Draisaitl is very good but he still gets a lot of ice time with McDavid.
Draisaitl is very good but he still gets a lot of ice time with McDavid.
Striiker
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Trading Ghost is a horrible idea. End of story.
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Striiker
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Exactly.
He's such a rare and unique player, with game-breaking ability, and that's before considering his contract. On top of that, he's not even close to a detriment defensively, so there's no excuse for thinking he's expendable. He simply isn't.
This is simply a reactionary and shortsighted suggestion by the people actively wanting him traded. I don't seem to remember too many people wanting to trade him this offseason, after he had a great year, so all this "trade Ghost" garbage is based solely on this incomplete up-and-down season for him, where nearly the entire team is a disaster.
And even just look at the his usage this year...
~30% was played with Provorov
~50% was with Folin, Hagg, or MacDonald
~20% with Sanheim or Gudas
He needs to be on the top pair with Provorov and left alone. That pair proved to be elite last year and the fact that they've been tried so little this year is a joke. He's a much better fit there than Sanheim and Sanheim is much better off at LD.
He's also a lot like Voracek where his points look much worse than his true quality of play would suggest because of the failures of the PP. He's pacing for 15 this year when he had 33 last year.
Point is, trading him would be a massive mistake and there's no excuse for it. You don't trade away, and especially sell-low, on a player like this. You build around him.
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Ghost for Trouba isnt that crazy. I doubt Jets get that calibre player back, but is he comes with a 7 mill extension, I would do it.
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Adding Trouba at 7 million at the expense of Ghost at 4.5 million is terrible cap management.
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Ghost hasnt flashed any game-breaking ability this season and I cant figure out why. I honestly wonder if he had a good summer training wise. Then again it could just be that Hak neutered the entire time and their balls havent grown back yet.
TCTC
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Trading for Draisaitl would only make sense if Patrick was involved. Otherwise you have Couturier, Draisaitl, and Patrick and none of those three should be 3C long term.
You need quality wingers too, after all.
The image of Gostisbehere camped out at the wing table going to town is seared into my memory. Has anyone seen him with his shirt off and if so please compare to Mike Richards.
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Striiker
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I wouldn't say that.... there's definitely been flashes of the same ability he showed last year, but it definitely hasn't been as often or as consistent.
There's been times where he's made an insane play but it didn't end up in the net for whatever reason, so it's forgotten. But they're the type of things where, if they had ended up as a goal, they would've been a big deal.
I also think he's had to reign it in a bit this year because of the trash he's played with. You'd think he'd be the one going nuts while they back him up, but there's been so many times where he's the guy back defending the odd man rush.
Regardless, my point is I'm personally not worried about him at all. This hasn't been a great year for him, but there's nothing I've seen that makes me worried about his future play. He's still himself, but we're just not seeing it right now.
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Jtown
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he has failed to duplicate the success he had as a center away from Mcdavid in that playoff run. Another big fail by them.
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It would be awesome if Chiarelli trades Lucic, attaches a premium asset to him plus eats a bunch of his salary, and he goes onto be a 20/20 guy for the rest of his contract.
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Jtown
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its one of those things that is quietly getting swept under the rug when people discuss about how bad it is in Edmonton. No one wants to mention how average Drai looks away from McDavid.
I honestly think some guys like Ghost and Patrick may just need a year to recover from Hakstol.
TCTC
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Can you blame him though? He isn't Crosby or McDavid. He needs some support. And when I look at their roster, I don't see one top 6 winger.
Jtown
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thats true too. A guy like voracek would help him immensely.
BackToTheBrierePatch
Nope not today.
If you hate Simmonds, why even think about taking a worse player right now in Lucic? He has 2 goals this season. 9 points.
He will be 31 in June. 6M at 4 more years? Hell I would not take him at 50 percent retained.
He will be 31 in June. 6M at 4 more years? Hell I would not take him at 50 percent retained.
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LegionOfDoom91
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I mean I’d still say he’s a good player but his contract isn’t the greatest of values coming off that big year.
But yeah the biggest problem with Edmonton is the lack of quality players overall.
