Simmonds and Voracek time to go

[VladDrag]

I mean I’d still say he’s a good player but his contract isn’t the greatest of values coming off that big year.

But yeah the biggest problem with Edmonton is the lack of quality players overall.

Agreed. That post wasn't meant as if he's not a decent player, but more that everyone is going to be better next to McDavid.

 

[CanadianFlyer88]

Everything I have read or heard in the last 10 days when it became abundantly clear that the Flyers season was over, was that Wayne Simmonds is a highly coveted commodity.

We all see that he is done, so if Fletcher re-signs him instead of trading him, Fletcher has to be fired.

The way that hockey people talk about Simmer suggests that he will get a pretty decent haul, even on an expiring contract.

Make it happen, Fletch.

 

[1865]

Patrick and Frost aren't good enough to be No. 2s next season. The best teams in the Eastern Conference have absolute monsters at 2C.

Fine, Hughes will have to do then.

 

[FlyersMania2]

Do you guys think Fletcher will trade Simmonds?

I guess we know where John Boruk stands https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/flyers/should-flyers-trade-wayne-simmonds

 

[Curufinwe]

Right now are top two centers are G and C. No reason they can't be again next season. Long term I want Frost at center, but if he starts off as a LW, that's OK. Without even adding any free agents, you can have an improved forward lineup for 19-20.

JVR-G-TK
Lindblom-Couturier-Voracek
Frost-Patrick-NAK
Laughton-Vorobyev-Weise

 

[Rebels57]

Right now are top two centers are G and C. No reason they can't be again next season. Long term I want Frost at center, but if he starts off as a LW, that's OK. Without even adding any free agents, you can have an improved forward lineup for 19-20.

JVR-G-TK
Lindblom-Couturier-Voracek
Frost-Patrick-NAK
Laughton-Vorobyev-Weise

Let's go ahead and re-sign Raffl and move Weise somehow.

MacDonald and Weise no longer being Flyers next season would be really pleasant.

 

[nuclear reactor]

Right now are top two centers are G and C. No reason they can't be again next season. Long term I want Frost at center, but if he starts off as a LW, that's OK. Without even adding any free agents, you can have an improved forward lineup for 19-20.

JVR-G-TK
Lindblom-Couturier-Voracek
Frost-Patrick-NAK
Laughton-Vorobyev-Weise

Can't see Fletcher going into the season like that. You've got 5 guys in there who have demonstrated little to no NHL goal scoring ability, even excluding Weise.

 

[Rebels57]

Can't see Fletcher going into the season like that. You've got 5 guys in there who have demonstrated little to no NHL goal scoring ability, even excluding Weise.

He did say "even without adding free agents."

 

[Striiker]

"Little to no NHL goal scoring ability"

 

[deadhead]

Right now are top two centers are G and C. No reason they can't be again next season. Long term I want Frost at center, but if he starts off as a LW, that's OK. Without even adding any free agents, you can have an improved forward lineup for 19-20.

JVR-G-TK
Lindblom-Couturier-Voracek
Frost-Patrick-NAK
Laughton-Vorobyev-Weise

That's basically the team we have now, bad matchups against any good 1st line.
Why would you break up Lindblom/Patrick? They have great chemistry.

G - Couts - [new RW, Stone?]
Lindblom - Patrick - TK
JVR - Frost - Allison/Laczysnki/(trade RW)
Laughton - Rubtsov/Vorobyev - NAK

trade Simmonds, Voracek, Raffl, Weise at the TDL.
Get (1-2) 1sts, (2-3) 2nds, a couple mid-round draft picks and a RW prospect who's NHL ready.
That gives you plenty of trade bait and cap room heading into June, and you can promote NAK and Vorobyev and maybe even Bunnaman/Twarynski for a look see, or Leier for depth.
When Farabee is ready, move out JVR unless he really clicks with Frost.
And of course, next year we may have a rookie (Hughes, Kukko) starting from the get-go.

 

[baudib1]

If none of Farabee, Ratcliffe, Allison, Strome, Twarynski, Laczynski and Kase can beat out Weise by September 2019 we may need to reconsider how good our prospect pool really is.

 

[Striiker]

If none of Farabee, Ratcliffe, Allison, Strome, Twarynski, Laczynski and Kase can beat out Weise by September 2019 we may need to reconsider how good our prospect pool really is.

Whether or not they make the team is completely separate from whether or not they're better than Weise.

We know that being a better player doesn't necessarily get young players anything. If it did, Myers would have replaced MacDonald long ago.

 

[deadhead]

Farabee and Ratcliffe are LWs, as is Strome, Farabee is the only one likely to be with the Flyers, and only if he fills out (plays a physical game so he needs to be strong enough to handle the dirty work). Other than Uber-talents, most prospects need a year in the AHL (some two years).
Allison/Laczynski should be close to NHL ready after 3 years in college, Kase is better than Weise but he needs to fill out to handle the punishment (shoulder issues).
NAK should take Weise' job before any of these kids hit the NHL

 

[Curufinwe]

If none of Farabee, Ratcliffe, Allison, Strome, Twarynski, Laczynski and Kase can beat out Weise by September 2019 we may need to reconsider how good our prospect pool really is.

That's like saying Myers isn't a good prospect because he can't beat out Folin. He's actually a great prospect, but the GM won't promote him for reasons that make no sense whatsoever.

Out of all those guys, Twarynski is the only one who's upside is NHL 4th liner. The rest of them have the potential to be top 9 guys if developed properly. In particular, putting Ratcliffe on the Flyers 4th line as a 20 year old would be a disgrace.

 

[baudib1]

Whether or not they make the team is completely separate from whether or not they're better than Weise.

We know that being a better player doesn't necessarily get young players anything. If it did, Myers would have replaced MacDonald long ago.

Can't wait to move Voracek so we have 11 guys in the AHL who can't beat out Weise.

 

[baudib1]

That's like saying Myers isn't a good prospect because he can't beat out Folin. He's actually a great prospect, but the GM won't promote him for reasons that make no sense whatsoever.

Out of all those guys, Twarynski is the only one who's upside is NHL 4th liner. The rest of them have the potential to be top 9 guys if developed properly. In particular, putting Ratcliffe on the Flyers 4th line as a 20 year old would be a disgrace.

The idea that some guys can be top 9 guys but not 4th liners is absurd. That's the kind of thinking that leads to VdV playing 81 games a year.

But yes, the point is really that the organization is a dysfunctional mess if they can't sort this out properly. This process needed to be started weeks ago.

 

[Curufinwe]

The idea that some guys can be top 9 guys but not 4th liners is absurd. That's the kind of thinking that leads to VdV playing 81 games a year.

Absurd is thinking 20 year olds (19 in the case of Farabee) will develop their offensive game by playing 9 minutes a night with no PP time.

It's possible everyone on that list ends up as NHL 4th liners or worse, but that doesn't mean that it's a good idea to have them start their pro careers in that position.

 

[Outlaw Samurai]

"Little to no NHL goal scoring ability"

The forehand/backhand top shelf vs Wash and the beauty top glove on Boston on a sweet feed by Lindblom really show off his hands.

Most of the others show good awareness, especially in close.

People need to relax. He's not a bust, he just didn't take a big step this year. He's barely 20 on an imploding team

 

[Curufinwe]

Trade him for Bernier, Ryan, or Eriksson.

 

[tucson83]

The idea that some guys can be top 9 guys but not 4th liners is absurd. That's the kind of thinking that leads to VdV playing 81 games a year.

But yes, the point is really that the organization is a dysfunctional mess if they can't sort this out properly. This process needed to be started weeks ago.

the mistake was giving jake and giroux big contracts, that's what hurting us right now, that's why our defense is a mess because right now we are relying on a younger d to pick up the slack and it's not working. fletch has to improve the d core and let the younger forwards play and that's why i want giroux and jake's contracts gone, so we can have the cap space to improve the d and maybe get a goalie and not rush hart. that's my opinion.

 

[Rich Nixon]

the mistake was giving jake and giroux big contracts, that's what hurting us right now, that's why our defense is a mess because right now we are relying on a younger d to pick up the slack and it's not working. fletch has to improve the d core and let the younger forwards play and that's why i want giroux and jake's contracts gone, so we can have the cap space to improve the d and maybe get a goalie and not rush hart. that's my opinion.

We have like $30 million in cap space. These things are not at all related to one another.

 

[Ruck Over]

Absurd is thinking 20 year olds (19 in the case of Farabee) will develop their offensive game by playing 9 minutes a night with no PP time.

It's possible everyone on that list ends up as NHL 4th liners or worse, but that doesn't mean that it's a good idea to have them start their pro careers in that position.

I'd rather start those kids on the 4th line with 9 minutes a game than field VdV, or equivalent, for 81 games a year. (We all know it should've been 82, but Hakstol had a perverted sense of humor scratching him in the last game of the season for no given reason.)

And while I agree Giroux should see PK time, that's only because he's really good at it. What a boon it would be if these kids got thrown in a similar situation as a young Giroux and it came to be they are also good at it, thus increasing their 9 minutes by a smidge more.

 

[Striiker]

the mistake was giving jake and giroux big contracts, that's what hurting us right now, that's why our defense is a mess because right now we are relying on a younger d to pick up the slack and it's not working. fletch has to improve the d core and let the younger forwards play and that's why i want giroux and jake's contracts gone, so we can have the cap space to improve the d and maybe get a goalie and not rush hart. that's my opinion.

It's way too early to be this drunk.

 

[baudib1]

Absurd is thinking 20 year olds (19 in the case of Farabee) will develop their offensive game by playing 9 minutes a night with no PP time.

It's possible everyone on that list ends up as NHL 4th liners or worse, but that doesn't mean that it's a good idea to have them start their pro careers in that position.

Without even getting into the fact that guys probably don't develop that amazingly playing third-line minutes in the AHL, we are never going to maximize the NHL point totals of the 20+ prospects we have. Nor should it be an objective.

It's not a requirement that the guys you play on your 4th line have no offensive ability.

Playing with 34-year-old Ruslan Fedotenko as a 20-year-old didn't do anything to develop Sean Couturier's offensive game but he developed anyway (while still being a huge contributor).

 

[Rebels57]

Weise should have played his last game as a Flyer 2 games ago when he half-assed every single shift.