It could also be just as simple as his agent stated last year when he stated he felt that his client wasn't being put in a position to succeed by playing with Stuart or on his off side and as a result it was hurting his long range earning potential. Maybe he didn't sign the 6 at 5.5 million because he didn't believe it represented his true worth as a player and that he wanted the opportunity to prove he was an elite dmen and earn Doughty type money on his next season. After next season he will be in line for that type of deal imo and his bet will have paid off.
I'm unclear why some people regularly feel the need to point out that Trouba acted within his rights under the CBA. This is self evident. If it wasn't, he couldn't have done what he did. If it's being used as a defense of his behaviour, sorry I will never accept that.
And can anyone name an NHL player that sat out while requesting a trade, and then went on to a long and happy career with that organization?
At the end of the day I think
Trouba is getting advice that he may not be 100% in favour of .
Last year he wanted to clarify his position on the radio and his agent intervened and shut that down quickly.
I am guessing he wants to be paid well.
I am totally guessing he feels misunderstood.
It's not the first time an agent or players parents interfere in the negotiations of their kid.
We have no idea how he feels about playing here but I really believe Jacob wanted to set the record straight last year and confirm no reluctance to play here.
At the end of the day I think
Trouba is getting advice that he may not be 100% in favour of .
Last year he wanted to clarify his position on the radio and his agent intervened and shut that down quickly.
I am guessing he wants to be paid well.
I am totally guessing he feels misunderstood.
It's not the first time an agent or players parents interfere in the negotiations of their kid.
We have no idea how he feels about playing here but I really believe Jacob wanted to set the record straight last year and confirm no reluctance to play here.
I agree. What we have witnessed to date is straight out of the Overherdt playbook. He is a hard negotiator who tends to go to extreme lengths to get the maximum compensation possible. What is happening now is fairly similiar to what has gone down with some of his other clients. I also don't believe Jacob is fully driving the bus here.
I did not declare Trouba a loser; I said his side lost a gamble, which is far different in connotation.Unsure how you can declare Trouba a 'loser' since his gamble has not yet been completed. If he has another monster season, he sure looks he will be paid handsomely. Could be a winner after all?
I did not declare Trouba a loser; I said his side lost a gamble, which is far different in connotation.
His side engaged in job action a a time when he had virtually no leverage, hoping that would facilitate...I frankly don't know what. That was dumb AFAIK, because he could have easily signed a bridge without damaging the relationship. It is never, ever smart to gratuitously irritate the other party when they hold the power. Gamble lost.
A further gamble is the one he is taking by risking guaranteed lifetime economic luxury (LT contract now) for the possibility of more money, if he stays healthy and plays well. He will never need or notice that extra $10M if he 'wins', but he will sure notice the consequences if he blows his knee or crashes into the boards head first...again. No,he has not lost that gamble yet, but why would any young man in his right mind take it? Either he is recklessly confident, or getting bad advice.
He would only have been preaching to the choir. Anything I've heard from him since has been pretty unconvincing. Maybe he's just a lousy speaker, but I'm not buying what he's selling. If that's the case, he should probably take some lessons. "Promoting his brand" would come easier with some eloquence and at least the ability to fake sincerity. He could do worse than modelling himself after Eddie O. Hell, I'm as cynical as they come, and even I bought into his IT'S COMING BACK TO WINNIPEG!!! rallying cry. William Wallace got nothin' on that dude.
Once again, this has nothing to do with my original post. Once again, everything Trouba has done is completely within his rights as an NHLPA member. You never answered my earlier question: do you feel the same way about PK? Has PK's cap hit hurt the Preds?
Trouba has presumably worked his entire life for this opportunity, and he will make the most of it the way he sees fit. It's sweet to think you would take a different route, but you can't ever know that for certain because you will never be presented with the same opportunity.
Like I mentioned before, I'm not a fan of the way Trouba has handled this, but he is perfectly within his rights. If he wants to gamble with his future and have it pay off, great for him. Takes a lot of confidence to pass over guaranteed money and bet that you will be able to make even more based on your performance.
Don't mean to split hairs or be argumentative at all, so apologies for any offense taken.Eh, I don't see them as separate, it's all part of the same plan. Either way, if he gets his payday, all of this will have paid off for him in the end. Honestly don't see him 'losing a gamble' yet. Depending how this all turns out, he could absolutely end up 'losing'... or he could end up with a very large contract. A little early to judge at the moment.
And you can split hairs concerning my wording about being a 'loser' and 'losing a gamble' all you want, but since we were both talking about the same thing, one should assume that the 'loser' phrasing I chose to use was referring to your post I had previously quoted.
It is never, ever smart to gratuitously irritate the other party when they hold the power. Gamble lost.
Agree with this. All the comparables at that time were signing deals at 5.5-6. There was no way he was going to get 7.5-8 then. He may get that or even more next summer. Especially if he puts up 50+ points.
Trouba is not staying. Mark my words. He is a young AMERICAN defenseman, who has already demonstrated he does not want to play in small market Canada through the weak excuses he had for holding out.
The next negotiation will say a lot (since he was utilized just as he wanted to be last year)
He will go to NY or Miami, or Chicago or LA and will be tickled pink. Time to start working on a deal where we can get something back that might replace him. It will most likely have to be a 3 way where we trade him for a young star forward, and then parlay our premium youth up front to get a mid 20's stud for our top 4 on the left side.
None of this crow eating talk for you, eh?
Trouba is not staying. Mark my words. He is a young AMERICAN defenseman, who has already demonstrated he does not want to play in small market Canada through the weak excuses he had for holding out.
The next negotiation will say a lot (since he was utilized just as he wanted to be last year)
He will go to NY or Miami, or Chicago or LA and will be tickled pink. Time to start working on a deal where we can get something back that might replace him. It will most likely have to be a 3 way where we trade him for a young star forward, and then parlay our premium youth up front to get a mid 20's stud for our top 4 on the left side.
If you are right and this is a foregone conclusion then it will be interesting to see how Chevy plays it. I don't think we NEED to panic since he is our property for three more seasons. How does one maximize JT's value then becomes a question but it has to be weighted against what value he brings over those three seasons? None of us know the offers Chevy has been receiving nor do Chevy or any of us know if they will get better or worse as time goes on and more importantly how much they change?
To put it in perspective Matt Duchene has 66% of Trouba's time left under Colorado's control before he is free to walk as a UFA yet nobody chats much about the time frame? Does anyone here that is sane think Matt is sticking around? Three seasons is a lifetime in the NHL and I doubt Chevy "Frolik's" this one up. I am looking forward to watching how this season unfolds with the Jets and how all the D prospects progress.
I did answer it
I believe in considering the teams best interests and your own
Trouba is only thinking of his own and not the team
Meaning the same goes he pk
Even tho he was/is one o the best defense he got max pay for his talent which took a dent to Montreal
Prices contract is can worst
Don't mean to split hairs or be argumentative at all, so apologies for any offense taken.
The reason I made the distinction is because I don't want to convey the impression that I think Trouba is a bad person, a "loser", or persona non grata in Winnipeg. He seems like a good enough kid, well-liked by team mates and I would like nothing more than to have him happily ensconced here. I just fundamentally disagree with the tack he has taken in negotiations. It reminds me a bit of how Byfuglien plays hockey on his bad days