Sidney Crosby surpassing Alexander Ovechkin in career points watch (UPD: Ovechkin ahead by 6)

[ricky0034]

give me being the best all time goal scorer over Crosby's generically elite overall production any day

being the best ever at something like that means something,what's Crosby the best ever at? getting concussions that turn out to be pseudo concussions?

 

[TheDawnOfANewTage]

I find the debate about the relative value of goals and assists generally more interesting than the debate about Crosby and Ovechkin specifically.

I guess my feeling is that I trust the 50G guy more than the 50A guy to produce in the future, even if he's moved to a different context. I'm an absolutely terrible hockey player, but I pick up quite a few assists: get the puck to the good players in the offensive zone and they'll get me points. It's a lot more rare for a great passer to get me goals than it is for a good goalscorer to get me assists.

I present to you Matt Moulson.

 

[GordieHowsUrBreath]

what will this board do once these guys retire? i don't think the matthews/mcdavid comparisons will last over a decade.

the HOH forum will get the most traffic

oh and ovi can't hold crosby's jock, this debate has been silly since at least 2014

 

[Caps8112]

the HOH forum will get the most traffic

oh and ovi can't hold crosby's jock, this debate has been silly since at least 2014

Yet.........somehow despite the 5 caps fans that exist it's still a thread that gets way more discussion then most......

 

[DrewGl]

the HOH forum will get the most traffic

oh and ovi can't hold crosby's jock, this debate has been silly since at least 2014

canadian

 

[Dominance]

canadian

Why are you complimenting him?

 

[The Red Line]

Apart from a year or two nobody has ever doubted that Crosby is the better all around player and point-getter.

I think we're finally getting to a point where we can just say that Ovi is the greatest goal-scorer of his era and maybe ever, and Crosby is the best all around player of his era.

No doubt about it they are the two best of their era, and it doesn't really matter (nor is it honestly all that quantifiable) as to who was actually the greater player.

 

[kmart]

Total NHL career points Reg and playoffs combined
Crosby 1347 points in 1059 games=1.27 ppg (104 points per 82 games)
Ovechkin 1284 points in 1162 games= 1.11 ppg (91 points per 82 games)

Crosby has 63 more career nhl points in 103 less career nhl games.... check mate

i see you changed ur argument... thats the way to go !

sadly nhl does not track combined points, no one does exept pens fans in such a situation or gretzky fans that use his reg+playoff goals when ovi comes close to his goal totals... as this thread is about regular season points, making ur statement look like a resentful agreement that ovi was more productive.

 

[wetcoast]

give me being the best all time goal scorer over Crosby's generically elite overall production any day

being the best ever at something like that means something,what's Crosby the best ever at? getting concussions that turn out to be pseudo concussions?

Generically elite is a really weird phrase for the best player of his generation.

Focus on a single thing always obscures the big picture.

 

[Braunbaer]

sadly nhl does not track combined points, no one does exept pens fans in such a situation or gretzky fans that use his reg+playoff goals when ovi comes close to his goal totals... as this thread is about regular season points, making ur statement look like a resentful agreement that ovi was more productive.

But that doesn't make any sense.
Almost everyone in this sport talks about how meaningless the regular season is and that the playoff games are the ones that really matter.

But when it comes to statistics people are only interested in the points racked up during the regular season?
Why shouldn't you give Crosby credit for having more playoff-assists than Ovi has playoff-points?
Besides ... they have roughly the same amount of regular season points, but Crosby played about 150 less games.

And I'm neither a Pens fan nor can I stand Crosby's stupid face.

 

[wetcoast]

i see you changed ur argument... thats the way to go !

sadly nhl does not track combined points, no one does exept pens fans in such a situation or gretzky fans that use his reg+playoff goals when ovi comes close to his goal totals... as this thread is about regular season points, making ur statement look like a resentful agreement that ovi was more productive.

So are you disputing that Crosby has more points and PPG in both the playoffs and regular season combined?

Heck in a couple of games it will be both regular season and playoffs right?

 

[Hint1k]

Such a weird thread. It is like 12+ years watching and Crosby is still behind with all his very important secondary assists

 

[412 Others]

Total NHL career points Reg and playoffs combined
Crosby 1347 points in 1059 games=1.27 ppg (104 points per 82 games)
Ovechkin 1284 points in 1162 games= 1.11 ppg (91 points per 82 games)

Crosby has 63 more career nhl points in 103 less career nhl games.... check mate

There really is no logical rebuttal to this.

Ovechkin's point totals are helped by - more regular season games due to fluke injuries to Crosby

Crosby's point totals are 'helped' by - more playoff games due to Ovechkin's inability to get past the 2nd round for 12 years.

According to some - Crosby's (more difficult) playoff games should be discarded. The games that matter. Should be discarded. Ovechkin's regular season power play points vs the mid 2000s Southleast Division carries more weight, apparently.

 

[daver]

Yet.........somehow despite the 5 caps fans that exist it's still a thread that gets way more discussion then most......

Almost as much as McDavid vs. Matthews

 

[daver]

Say what you want about goals vs. assists, their respective trophy cases clearly reflect a similar value placed on their overall point totals.

Both have twelve Top 25 Hart Finishes, three Lindsays, and two Lindsay nominations.

Once you cross out the duplicate Hart finishes the remaining Top Ten finishes it looks like this:

Crosby - 2, 3, 5

OV - 1, 6, 9

There is no argument for saying goals > assists based on this.

 

[Barrie22]

Sorry, just a little confused, how is the winner determined in a hockey game?

hmmm, so if ovechkin is so good at scoring goals, then why does he only have 1 cup. but the player that puts up better assist numbers have 3 cups?

 

[kk87]

I find the debate about the relative value of goals and assists generally more interesting than the debate about Crosby and Ovechkin specifically.

I guess my feeling is that I trust the 50G guy more than the 50A guy to produce in the future, even if he's moved to a different context. I'm an absolutely terrible hockey player, but I pick up quite a few assists: get the puck to the good players in the offensive zone and they'll get me points. It's a lot more rare for a great passer to get me goals than it is for a good goalscorer to get me assists.

Sound logic in theory, but I’d argue the opposite. I think the set up man is more often the one actually catalyzing the offence, whereas the finisher is often less multidimensional and well-rounded. This is partly because the centre is typically the playmaker and has more responsibilities than their wingers do. Ovi has undoubtedly benefited more from playing with Backstrom for large parts of his career than Sid ever has with his revolving door of wingers.

 

[bobc222]

hmmm, so if ovechkin is so good at scoring goals, then why does he only have 1 cup. but the player that puts up better assist numbers have 3 cups?

Pretty simple really:
Evgeni Malkin Stats | Hockey-Reference.com
Nicklas Backstrom Stats | Hockey-Reference.com
Hockey is a team sport. Ovechkin is a great goal scorer, but you forget, he can only score but so many goals every game. He's not an alien.

 

[Son Goku]

Pretty simple really:
Evgeni Malkin Stats | Hockey-Reference.com
Nicklas Backstrom Stats | Hockey-Reference.com
Hockey is a team sport. Ovechkin is a great goal scorer, but you forget, he can only score but so many goals every game. He's not an alien.

How many times have the capitals won the presidents trophy? You're right, hockey is a team sport and Alexander Ovechkin has always had great teams.

 

[The Grim Reaper]

Why is it always the same pricks in every Crosby and Ovechkin thread?

 

[Cellee]

Crosby has always been the better player.

 

[Dondini]

There really is no logical rebuttal to this.

Ovechkin's point totals are helped by - more regular season games due to fluke injuries to Crosby

Crosby's point totals are 'helped' by - more playoff games due to Ovechkin's inability to get past the 2nd round for 12 years.

According to some - Crosby's (more difficult) playoff games should be discarded. The games that matter. Should be discarded. Ovechkin's regular season power play points vs the mid 2000s Southleast Division carries more weight, apparently.

This is a very good post

 

[Nadal On Clay]

Ovechkin is better at goalscoring and at throwing meaningless hits.

Crosby is better at everything else.

 

[Hockey Outsider]

With two points last night, Crosby is now three points behind Ovechkin in career scoring. The last time they were this close was January 19th, 2011 (nearly eight years ago), when Ovechkin was ahead 575-572. They've both scored exactly 592 points since then.

 

[flamesforcup]

Can anyone compare their point totals if u take out secondary assists? Im genuinely curious.