Sidney Crosby surpassing Alexander Ovechkin in career points watch (UPD: Ovechkin ahead by 6)

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  1. Midnight Judges

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    If you can't make an argument without a straw man, maybe deep down you don't believe what you are typing.

    By all means, make an honest argument for why a testicle slasher deserves a sportsmanship award.
     
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    Hey, it’s Midnight Judges. I’m sure he and his little band hold brainstorming sessions to come up with these obscure, picky criticisms. I guess they hope if they can generate enough volume, it will outweigh the obvious.

    Example: Poster brings up the obvious that Crosby is superior to Ovechkin defensively and more valuable without the puck. To defend that point, he exhibits Selke votes. Instead of even trying to refute the obvious core argument, the extensionary evidence is criticized.
     
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    Honestly, highly commendable misdirection from some clear sarcasm. Most people won’t even remember that it was you who brought up the topic of the Byng.
     
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    Rodgerwilco I don't really know why I'm here anymore.

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    It's not a straw man, it's heavy sarcasm. lol, there's a clear difference.

    I'm just wondering, have you ever actually played a sport in real life, Midnight? I've seen even the cleanest, most straight-up players I've ever known cup-check, cross-check, or slash a guy. I can guarantee you that every single Lady Byng trophy winner has slashed or cup-checked guys at least a handful of times in their hockey careers.
     
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    Hide your strawman (lies) behind the shield of sarcasm all you want.

    There is a huge difference between deliberately slashing a guy's balls from behind and slashing in general.

    There is also a huge distinction to be made between slashing a guy's fingertip off (which rarely ever happens) and your everyday slash that happens 35 times a game.

    I am athletically inclined, so I know these sorts of things.
     
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    Dude, you've gotta be absolutely kidding me. I do understand that sarcasm is not easy to detect over the internet, but it's hard for me to really believe that you think that my statement was not sarcastic.

    Also, you care about this and think this is a lot less worse than the actual Ottawa Senators, lol. They really didn't seem to see anything there at all. Neither of us are NHL players, and admittedly we may be biased, so let's look at someone's opinion who holds a little more merit than our own, shall we?

    I didn't ask if you were athletically inclined, I asked if you had actually played organized sports, judging by your rhetoric, it really doesn't seem like you understand how playing a sport actually works.
     
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    What a weird post.

    Sure Ovechkin is 12th in assists since the lockout as there only a handful of topline guys that have played all 14th seasons.

    Crosby being 200th in defense must include Dmen right?
     
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    Outrageous! Lies! Sid didn't slash anyone's nuts! Granted, he did a little speed bag exercise on a guy's ball sack once, but, slash? Jamais!
     
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    Well to be fair you are using some rebound assists to claim Ovechkins high level as a playmaker so at least you are consistent using a really non factor like PK ice time to determine defensive play for an elite offensive forward.

    Both metrics are extremely weak ones to measure playmaking and defensive play repectively.
     
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    major props to sid, has been on fire lately

    even when he was "slumping", he was still consistent with his points. will be a huge factor for seeding and come playoffs
     
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    It's tied up?

    Isn't Ovie ahead again?
     
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    Would be cool if this thread just went on for years and years with both players flip flopping back and forth every week.

    I mean it's over a year old now and Crosby was five points behind when it started and now he is two.

    The more hilarious scenario would be they finished tied in career points. :laugh:
     
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    Hilarious, and perfect. No rivalry would EVER match it, if it even can be at this point.
     
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    He had 1, then easily on pace for another before his first major injury. From what I remember, that first concussion made him adjust into more of a playmaker.
     
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    Anybody can make a slick pass from time to time. That's not what I meant by being a playmaker. That just isnt Ovies game and that's fine, but it's what seperates, imo, the greatest from the next tier slightly below. Had Ovie been able to find ways to create more he'd have never been caught so easily in almost 2 full seasons less of games by Sid.

    Like I said, an elite player accumulating in close to full seasons totals of 20 assists and 21 is laughable.

    Complete offensive players such as Jagr, Mario, Sid, etc could kill you in more ways than one.
     
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    You have to exclude Gretzky, Jagr and Lemieux from your list because you don't know how much Ovy would do back then.
     
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    Perfect! Could you imagine all the fanboys for both just loosing control of all their bodily functions.
     
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    I can agree with this. Although, Sid has been getting better and OV worse in those regards.
     
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    This thread is only 13 days old :huh:
     
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    No you don't because we can compare relative to peers and adjust numbers according to era.
     
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    Oh please elaborate on how Ovechkins passing abilities has some how been getting worse?
     
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    Comparing him to 07-10 OV, I think the biggest difference is his lack of puck control. His ability to make a pass is somewhat similar now. But he's not handling the puck nearly as much as he did back at his peak.
     
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    This is obviously fan fiction and not based in reality what so ever.
     
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    Really? I do try to be objective and I bet it's no secret that I'm a big OV fan. My take on his game, compared to his peak years, is that he's not holding on to the puck as much. Which in turn has caused changes in his game. One of the main one being his playmaking. His adaption has been remarkable though.

    I've never heard anyone challenge this analysis before you. I'd like to hear your reasoning for his decrease in assists.
     
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    The title must be updated. Wrong info
     
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