News Article: Should the Blackhawks drop the emblamatic Indianhead due to the times we are living in?

[featherhawk]

I've seen some things in the past. I think THIS kinda style would fit. View attachment 378989

I have no clue who made or where this came from, seems like some tshirt company that sells other products not their own.

Sure this one that I think even some minors team uses now would satisfy most people. I know some First People leaders have said they are okay with this vs not the current one.
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But there still are some that are at that level of wanting no headdress and warpaint components.

I found this, another unknown origin and that concept would I think be awesome and have no objections.
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if there is a need to change logos the Headdress would likely have to be eliminated...

 

[Illinihockey]

Imagine rooting for a team because of their logo. Maybe I’m too old to remember what it’s like to be 6 years old

 

[Mrfenn92]

Hawks aren’t changing the logo fellas

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

Imagine rooting for a team because of their logo. Maybe I’m too old to remember what it’s like to be 6 years old

Looking down at people for being irrational about something as irrational as professional sports fandom is is a bit of a cart before the horse situation.

 

[CallMeShaft]

I am willing to sell my likeness to the franchise. They can use a cartoon rendering of the side of my face, as well as my name.

The "Chicago Shafts". Rebrand complete, you're welcome.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

I am willing to sell my likeness to the franchise. They can use a cartoon rendering of the side of my face, as well as my name.

The "Chicago Shafts". Rebrand complete, you're welcome.

It’s like that exhibit at the natural history museum that scared me as a child

 

[CallMeShaft]

It’s like that exhibit at the natural history museum that scared me as a child

Just think how scared it'll make our opponents. We'll be winning lots of games by default when they refuse to play us.

 

[ChiHawks10]

Imagine rooting for a team because of their logo. Maybe I’m too old to remember what it’s like to be 6 years old

Imagine reading these 11 pages and somehow thinking that people on here root for a team only because of their logo.

 

[ChiHawks10]

No corporate entity outside of a very conservative religious one is looking to be the minute men in that fight.

I'm just saying... it's gotten out of hand. I'm not saying it can be reigned in, as I think it's way too far gone at this point.

 

[Mrfenn92]

Just think how scared it'll make our opponents. We'll be winning lots of games by default when they refuse to play us.

Little shafts won’t scare them

 

[CallMeShaft]

Little shafts won’t scare them

Big shafts will.

Gonna be a lot of high sticking penalties for this new team.

 

[Brightwing]

Just out of curiosity is there pressure on the Atlanta Braves or Kansas City Chiefs to change their name?

Also I agree, not a big fan of the bird logos. They look amateurish or minor league. I would have to see a better redesign. In fact a lot of the animal logos in the NHL look dumb to me including the Panthers, the Shark and that Penguin thing with a hockey stick. Actually, the only one I really like is the Canucks and they're not even named after an animal.

But still hoping this will blow over and the Hawks keep their logo. The thing with the Indians is the name was problematic and they were stuck for logo designs outside of the Cleveland C.

 

[CallMeShaft]

Just out of curiosity is there pressure on the Atlanta Braves or Kansas City Chiefs to change their name?

Also I agree, not a big fan of the bird logos. They look amateurish or minor league. I would have to see a better redesign. In fact a lot of the animal logos in the NHL look dumb to me including the Panthers, the Shark and that Penguin thing with a hockey stick. Actually, the only one I really like is the Canucks and they're not even named after an animal.

But still hoping this will blow over and the Hawks keep their logo. The thing with the Indians is the name was problematic and they were stuck for logo designs outside of the Cleveland C.

There is some pressure to on those teams, but maybe not as much because neither has an Indianhead logo.

I agree about the bird logos so far. I'm not insanely high on any of them, but I don't mind the logo of any of the NHL teams you mentioned, so it probably wouldn't take much more to appease me. To each their own, though.

And I've said this a few times now, but there is a chance things blow over. Right now things are hot because of what Cleveland just did. Give it a year or two and people might move on seeing as how the worst aggressors (teams) have backed down and changed. We'll find out.

 

[Hattrick Kane]

Just watch, they’ll eventually stomp out all of the team names with any relation to Native Americans.

Then they’ll turn around and say there isn’t enough representation for Native Americans in sports. You’ll never win with the people who want to pull this crap.

 

[RayP]

I must say, it does seem like it’s a matter of time before they’re forced to change the logo.... and that it’s going to be the result of people not doing their research on the logo and name of the team to fully understand it. Instead they’re just going to assume it’s offensive while putting in no effort to understand it and then throw a hissy fit about it.

 

[Mickey the mouse]

Could you imagine ...

The Chicago Hockey Team ?

The Washington Football Team and on and on

F that political correct crap

 

[x Tame Impala]

So if they change the logo, what'll be the perception if I wear my "old" Hawks gear out in public? Is it going to be a racist or insensitive action? Is it going to be perceived as me making a political statement?

 

[Pez68]

So if they change the logo, what'll be the perception if I wear my "old" Hawks gear out in public? Is it going to be a racist or insensitive action? Is it going to be perceived as me making a political statement?

Meh. I don't think anyone is going to give a shit.

 

[John Price]

This constant complaining about the Hawks head "appropriating culture" is ridiculous. The Hawks give to many NA organizations and tribute them plenty. Plus I don't like the Hawks alternate which are those tomahawks or whatever crossing the C. KEEP THE HEAD!

 

[John Price]

Just watch, they’ll eventually stomp out all of the team names with any relation to Native Americans.

Then they’ll turn around and say there isn’t enough representation for Native Americans in sports. You’ll never win with the people who want to pull this crap.

These names aren't insults to NAs. The REDACTED and Indians were. Brave is not. Chief is not Black Hawk is not.

We name plenty of things after NA's. Military helicopters. Canadian towns. American states.

No disrespect is intended and none should be taken.

 

[Njfj]

In my dreams, the day it happens the Blackhawks captain speaks out against human rights violations in China so we can all be witness to the hypocrisy that would ensue.

 

[HockeySauce]

I must say, it does seem like it’s a matter of time before they’re forced to change the logo.... and that it’s going to be the result of people not doing their research on the logo and name of the team to fully understand it. Instead they’re just going to assume it’s offensive while putting in no effort to understand it and then throw a hissy fit about it.

The thing that bothers me is that the people who want the logo/name changed cite studies that seem to conflate all the logos/names as if they're all equal. Objectively, the Redskins is a racial slur and the Indians logo/mascot was outright offensive. I can certainly see how those teams would have a negative impact on Native American people/kids.

With the Blackhawks, there's nothing offensive about it. If you don't like it, you don't like it purely because it features a Native American. But what exactly is wrong with that? You hear the "noble savage" argument but does anyone actually think about that with the Blackhawks? I don't. I just think it's a beautiful, respectful logo.

If you can't have any Native American references or imagery, then should we allow names like "Cowboys", "Vikings", "Canucks" that reference types/groups of people?

 

[FMichael]

So if they change the logo, what'll be the perception if I wear my "old" Hawks gear out in public? Is it going to be a racist or insensitive action? Is it going to be perceived as me making a political statement?

People over the age of 35 aren't likely to care, or they'll give you the 'thumbs up'...The under 35 crowd will probably call you a 'boomer', and tell you that you're a horrible person.

 

[JaegerDice]

So if they change the logo, what'll be the perception if I wear my "old" Hawks gear out in public? Is it going to be a racist or insensitive action? Is it going to be perceived as me making a political statement?

Nobody will care.

The goal is not to punish people for loving something or erase the past, the goal is just to move forward.

Everybody knows what the sweater looked like when Hull, Mikita, Chelios, Roenick, Toews and Kane played. Nobody is looking for revisionist history. Nobody is looking for historical footage to be blurred out, nobody is looking for jerseys to be banned from games.

You are allowed to cherish history while also accepting that times change, so long as you do it respectfully.

This is not a confederate flag situation, nobody is openly celebrating the oppression of anybody by wearing older Blackhawks jerseys.

Much as I've despised the name for over a decade, I'm not going to chew a Washington Football team fan for wearing the previous name/jersey with the name of a player who wore that jersey. Pretending the past doesn't exist isn't helping anybody... the point is not to forget that anything bad happened, the point is to remember the thing, all the good and bad tied up in it, and remember why the change was made, how context and society changed and grew. How we learned to care about more than just ourselves.

You're allowed to celebrate the past within the context of the past... it's the people that cling to the past, that are resistant to change, who are side-eyed and looked down on as time passes.

You want to wear an Indianhead jersey with Toews name on it? Go for it. Just don't stand in the way of changing the logo for the future, and don't get the name of a post logo-change player on an old-school jersey, which would be a jersey foul at best, and thumbing your nose at progress at worst.

 

[Marotte Marauder]

Nobody is looking for revisionist history. Nobody is looking for historical footage to be blurred out, nobody is looking for jerseys to be banned from games.

Not yet.