Player Discussion Shea Weber

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  1. Cobra Commander

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    It was a bad trade, not Weber's fault, we would have needed a top prospect plus a 1st to even it out.
     
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    Sorry but with Subban + Radulov we could have competed for the cup this season.
     
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    And Markov. And Sergachev. And trusting Galchenyuk at C.

    It’s not one mistake, but several have added up.
     
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    groovejuice Without deviation progress is not possible

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    I think that's overly optimistic, but I think for sure we'd have had a playoff berth.
     
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    "And when you're in anything can happen."

    MB.
     
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    If nothing else, Bergevin's quotes are good for a belly laugh.
     
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    Oh man are they ever, at this point all we have is our laughter, they have taken everything else from us.
     
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    The best/worst quote he's ever said was this: "
    Full of excuses of why he won't do things, even before they happen. It's truly laughable.
     
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    I'm not surprised. Weber has always been look at with great reverence in the league. Even as his ability slipped after 2012, from a Top 5 D to a first pair but not elite, he was still looked at as unflappable and a game changer.

    I expected the Predators to eventually trade him for a big package for their future, or rather I felt that was the right move. I never in a million years thought they would get Subban for him.

    For Weber's sake I was hoping he would get moved to a team like Washington or LA, where they already have a #1RD so Weber could focus on being the #2 and help a young LD focus on scoring. Instead he went to Montreal where he didn't just have to replace Subban but Markov as well. This was the wrong team for him to be moved to and it shows. His perceived intangibles are useless and his weaknesses are more visible.

    I think it makes so much sense to make Anaheim, San Jose, Vegas, and others compete for him this summer with the best offer. He would be much happier out that way as well. You move Weber out, begin the rebuild, and erase this era from memory. It ain't Shea's fault. Might as well get him out.
     
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    Lol it's no different with Weber this year. We would have been a contender with Radulov. And especially if we kept Markov.
     
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    True, but we would be better with PK over Weber, i really like Weber but it's very clear now.
     
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    The difference is small in that particular situation though. In my opinion at least.
     
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    I can agree with that, but PK's puck carrying skills are truly missed.
     
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    To say it's small is to say they bring the exact same game with a little modification. They don't. They play very different styles and bring different elements to the team. The only place where they have some similarity is their powerplay shot which Weber has a better slapper and Subban is a superior passer.

    It's an entirely different game played from the blueline out depending on if Weber or Subban is on the ice. To say it's a small difference is like saying there's a small difference on if Jeff Petry or Aaron Ekblad is out there because they had a three point difference this season.
     
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    The difference between Weber and Subban is not that, IMO. Especially when you start bringing other top flight players like Radulov into the equation.
     
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    The funny part is.. if at any point.. Price for a #1 C was an option, he should have done it.
     
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    Habs re-invented:

    Scherbak - Galchenyuk - Radulov
    Pacioretty - Danault - Gallagher
    Lekhonen - DLR - Hudon
    Deslauriers - A.Shaw - Byron
    Carr

    Sergachev - Subban
    Markov - Petry
    Mete - Juulsen
    Jerabek

    Price
    Niemi
    Lindgren

    Sign me up, we'd be one top 6C and 1 top 4D from being a top team. This lineup would easily make the playoffs.
     
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    So easy to turn back the clock....

    No way Scherbak is a first line player
    DLR is a very weak solution on a top three line
    Byron scoring 20 goals a year is on your 4th... ????
    Sergachev played 15 minutes per game on a very good offensive team in TB .... Not the case in MTL.
    Mete is not NHL material yet.
    Markov would have retire at the end of this season. KHL is barely AHL caliber overall.
     
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    Your loyalty knows no bounds , it appears Bergevin acquired his dog.
     
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    Grant Mccagg = bergevin is a genius!
     
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    When the argument is a copy/paste of our GM's excuses I know I'm not discussing this in good faith.

    I like to play a game and it's called "count how many times Bergevin says it's a good question when he is asked something that destroys him and for which has no answer".

    I'm at 9 times for the year end presser, anybody else wants to play?:sarcasm:
     
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    Subban - Mete
    Markov - Sergachev
    Petry - Juulsen

    Not bad. Sign Radulov up top, who knows?
     
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    I don't see it. Unless we're talking cuz Weber was injured all year?

    Cuz healthy weber vs healthy subban isn't cup contender. Radulov added helps regardless of which D is our #1 between the two though.
     
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    Not really impressed with that line up. To me, it's same players but Sergachev instead of Drouin and Subban instead of Weber.

    It completely ignores all the problems we had prior, where even Plekanec as a two-way 60+ point center couldn't solve.

    A top 6 C wouldn't be the solution. In order to win Galchenyuk would have to be the #2. We'd still need a #1, the D core lacks a little toughness too.

    At same time, I know where you're coming from. The habs have had some solid pieces for years. Status quo has burned us badly.
     
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    Literally who cares about toughness. It's 2018. The Kings, for all their toughness, just got swept by a team made up of every underutilized skill player from around the league. The lesson is clear: if a player doesn't do anything but hit and fight, they're stealing a spot from a talented skill player. Tough players are useless players, unless they bring goals or can skate with the puck. Alzner, Benn, Schlemko, etc, these guys should struggle to find contracts, not be actively acquired. The defense doesn't need them, or players like them.
     

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