Player Discussion Shea Weber

[Deluded Puck]

I’m actually saying this. I love Shea and I think the hate he gets is unwarranted because he’s been nothing short of excellent since he’s been here. People would love him if the Habs acquired him for anyone other than PK.

Unfortunately for Shea Weber, Subban has an emotionally attached fan base (myself included).

Weber has been exactly what I expected. He’s still a good, perfectly competent top pairing D. However, His qualities are rather overrated, thanks to an outdated outlook on the game. I believe the way things have played out solidify this opinion.

He’s just not an exceptional D, especially in this era. That’s what we lost.

Add in 76’s off ice contributions, the way he appealed to non-traditional demographics, and there you have it.

 

[roy munson]

I love Shea too, but the problem is that in today's NHL when you have a Shea and you can trade him for a PK, you do it. Not the opposite.

 

[Wats]

Trading Weber to Leafs makes a ton of sense for both teams. He's basically what they need: safe, elite in Dzone, leadership, tough/big, heavy point shot/One timer option

Leafs got some soon to be expensive young offensive players like Nylander (who'd be a C on a team that doesn't already have Matthews/Kadri/Bozak down middle IMO). Doubt they'll include Dermott though

Something like Nylander (5-6M)+Zaitsev (4.5M)+pick/prospect for Weber (8M) would be fair.

 

[TT1]

Prior to his injury i thought he was playing great hockey for us, imo i think he gets underrated quite a bit among Habs fans. Obviously he's not as flashy as Subban but i'd argue that he's by far a more efficient dman than him (especially when it comes to smarts/decision making/positioning).

He won't rush the puck in the o-zone on the PP like Subban used to but on the other hand he's much more reliable than PK defensively and he has the best shot in the game, that has value too. Sadly we still don't have a partner for him but i still can't wait to see what he does next season..

 

[Team_Spirit]

Shea Weber or the beginning of the end.

 

[McGuires Corndog]

I still say we should shop him for a young stud D or center and move forward

 

[Kimota]

Of all the vets we have, Weber would be the only one I would keep. I would trade away Max and Price far quicker. Weber seem like the perfect guy to help the kids in a rebuild.

 

[sandviper]

Isn’t using the SKATR comparison tool flawed as it takes the entire season into account? If Weber played the full year, I understand, but it’s taking Weber up to the point of injury and comparing against Subban’s results for the year.

 

[RickP]

Isn’t using the SKATR comparison tool flawed as it takes the entire season into account? If Weber played the full year, I understand, but it’s taking Weber up to the point of injury and comparing against Subban’s results for the year.

Yes, if we include the last 2 seasons, the stats are in favor of Subban... This last season, at the beginning of the year, the Habs were so bad, they were trailing games like 0-5 quickly. Those games are weird, the team that loses will often have great advanced stats, when in fact, they were never in the game at all. So I'm not sure we can make any conclusions from those games. Weber's stats were much better this season compared to last year, but most people would agree he was much better in his first season. Small samples can lead to weird results.

 

[sandviper]

Yes, if we include the last 2 seasons, the stats are in favor of Subban... This last season, at the beginning of the year, the Habs were so bad, they were trailing games like 0-5 quickly. Those games are weird, the team that loses will often have great advanced stats, when in fact, they were never in the game at all. So I'm not sure we can make any conclusions from those games. Weber's stats were much better this season compared to last year, but most people would agree he was much better in his first season. Small samples can lead to weird results.

Yeah, agreed. Anyhow, I wasn’t trying to make this all about PK and Shea again, but end of the day, my concern is the Habs and the “plan”, whatever that is. I mean, if we are keeping Weber, Price and even Patches, the hope has got to be for our players to over perform this season.

Copy the Vegas formula I guess...

 

[Scintillating10]

We would get a collasal return for Weber, especially if we retained. Habs in position to do that. But he is good developing young defensemen also.. Mete be an example. It's a tough choice to make.

 

[1909]

We would get a collasal return for Weber, especially if we retained. Habs in position to do that. But he is good developing young defensemen also.. Mete be an example. It's a tough choice to make.

I am pretty sure Weber is not in love with Montreal or with the Habs. This guy would rather be still playing in Nashville ør even out West.

Babcock loves him.

I would take Marner in a heart beat for him, but I would say Kadri would be the return.

 

[Scintillating10]

I am pretty sure Weber is not in love with Montreal or with the Habs. This guy would rather be still playing in Nashville ør even out West.

Babcock loves him.

I would take Marner in a heart beat for him, but I would say Kadri would be the return.

Do that you would be handing Toronto multiply cups.

 

[LaP]

Do that you would be handing Toronto multiply cups.

Good for them. I care about us winning not other teams not winning. If the Laffs are ready to pay a king's ransom for him then we should do it.

 

[Scintillating10]

Good for them. I care about us winning not other teams not winning. If the Laffs are ready to pay a king's ransom for him then we should do it.

What do you call a Kings ransom?

 

[sandviper]

what QFT stand for?
quit F*** T????

Quoted For Truth.

 

[ImNeverWrong]

Of all the vets we have, Weber would be the only one I would keep. I would trade away Max and Price far quicker. Weber seem like the perfect guy to help the kids in a rebuild.

That's just wrong. This guy absolutely disappeared off the face of the earth when he got his little booboo. Hes a terrible leader. Has he said anything in months? Has anyone seen him? Help the kids? The kids don't even know hes on the team.

 

[M.C.G. 31]

I'm worried about the impacts the foot injury will have on him moving forward. He's a bigger guy, was never the fastest to begin with, he's 33 when the season starts... I wonder what lasting impacts it'll have on him.

Has there been any word on his recovery yet anyways?

In an ideal world we would have traded him this summer for picks and prospects even if we had to retain to just fully commit to the rebuild.

 

[HankyZetts]

That's just wrong. This guy absolutely disappeared off the face of the earth when he got his little booboo. Hes a terrible leader. Has he said anything in months? Has anyone seen him? Help the kids? The kids don't even know hes on the team.

"ImNeverWrong"
Heck of a nickname you have there, my friend!

 

[Thebesthockey]

No issues with Webber


but since habs had/have no chance of winning the cup anytime soon with webber or subban

at least pk was entertaining to watch on and off ice

mtl finally had a character

 

[ImNeverWrong]

"ImNeverWrong"
Heck of a nickname you have there, my friend!

Thanks. I live up to it!

 

[Rickkins]

Of all the vets we have, Weber would be the only one I would keep. I would trade away Max and Price far quicker. Weber seem like the perfect guy to help the kids in a rebuild.

Quite right. Patch is a pantload, and Carey is just grossly overpaid.

 

[Censored Toad]

Quoted For Truth.

OHHHH that makes way more sense...

Thank you sir Viper!

 

[DAChampion]

I'm sure that Weber has value around the league, I'm just not sure how much.

 

[Scintillating10]

Good for them. I care about us winning not other teams not winning. If the Laffs are ready to pay a king's ransom for him then we should do it.

You can get a big haul for Weber from multiply teams. Strenghting a divisional rival will be a mistake.