Proposal: Seth Jones for M. Marner

[serp]

Well thankfully Leafs aren't trading Pokemon cards and don't care which one is more rare.

You take Marner away from this team and add Jones we are worse. Simple as that.

Marner seems to be underrated here, he's gonna be a 90-100 point player or morw for the next 10+ years, driving play. Keeping the Leafs as one of the top offensive teams in the league. Take that to the bank.

I mean yeah he's one of the core pieces the team is build around. Pretty similar thing would happen to the Jackets. They are build around what they have left. A great defense. Just ripping out the best piece and randomly throwing in a highend winger who may or may not fit the teams current system sounds like a terrible idea for them too.

 

[POVERTY]

Well thankfully Leafs aren't trading Pokemon cards and don't care which one is more rare.

You take Marner away from this team and add Jones we are worse. Simple as that.

Marner seems to be underrated here, he's gonna be a 90-100 point player or morw for the next 10+ years, driving play. Keeping the Leafs as one of the top offensive teams in the league. Take that to the bank.

Is your name really Paul by any chance?

 

[GOilers88]

Well thankfully Leafs aren't trading Pokemon cards and don't care which one is more rare.

You take Marner away from this team and add Jones we are worse. Simple as that.

Marner seems to be underrated here, he's gonna be a 90-100 point player or morw for the next 10+ years, driving play. Keeping the Leafs as one of the top offensive teams in the league. Take that to the bank.

I didn't say anything about rarity, so I don't know what that has to do with anything.

But you're right. Toronto and their high flying super paid offense is obviously good enough to get them a cup regardless of their defense and this has been shown over the last few years. Seth Jones would definitely make them a worse team.


Since Toronto doesn't need one of the best defensemen in the league to bring them down, how about a Jones/Draisaitl deal of some sort?

 

[TFHockey]

Kind of funny that you're praising Jones for being so young and he's actually almost 3 years older than Marner

True but forwards peak earlier than D-men. I'd say 25 for Forwards and 27 for Defensemen as a ballpark estimate.

 

[Kelly]

I get the comparison with Kucherov/Marner but to believe Reilly and Jones are on the same tier is flat-out wrong.

Seems to prove the statement "1D are valuable than #1 wingers" are kinda ridiculous then right? Stupid to ignore the actual quality of players isn't it?

Not to say Jones isn't a fantastic player, but I'd rather Marner, doesn't matter that he's a winger. He drives play like a center.

I mean yeah he's one of the core pieces the team is build around. Pretty similar thing would happen to the Jackets. They are build around what they have left. A great defense. Just ripping out the best piece and randomly throwing in a highend winger who may or may not fit the teams current system sounds like a terrible idea for them too.

not saying it's a great trade for the Jackets either. Both teams are content with keeping their guys.

Is your name really Paul by any chance?

Yea, you got me. Its me Marners dad.

 

[Patagonia]

Leafs add + 1st

Jones is the better and more important player. Contract is approx half the amount Marner signed.

 

[TFHockey]

Seems to prove the statement "1D are valuable than #1 wingers" are kinda ridiculous then right? Stupid to ignore the actual quality of players isn't it?

Not to say Jones isn't a fantastic player, but I'd rather Marner, doesn't matter that he's a winger. He drives play like a center.


not saying it's a great trade for the Jackets either. Both teams are content with keeping their guys.



Yea, you got me. Its me Marners dad.

Okay, serious question here. What do the Leafs need to do to become a perennial cup contender? I think it's fixing their D, which to my mind means the team isn't quite constructed correctly to do any damage in the playoffs. However, if you disagree tell me what you think they should do.

 

[Viqsi]

No, I think it’s a fair deal. I just don’t want to add to Marner to get it done, or trade a core player we just signed to a long term contract. If CBJ fans don’t want to do it either, that’s completely fine.

That's a completely valid perspective. If I had Marner on my team, I wouldn't want to trade him either.

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Since Toronto doesn't need one of the best defensemen in the league to bring them down, how about a Jones/Draisaitl deal of some sort?

 

[Crede777]

Seems to prove the statement "1D are valuable than #1 wingers" are kinda ridiculous then right? Stupid to ignore the actual quality of players isn't it?

Not to say Jones isn't a fantastic player, but I'd rather Marner, doesn't matter that he's a winger. He drives play like a center.


not saying it's a great trade for the Jackets either. Both teams are content with keeping their guys.



Yea, you got me. Its me Marners dad.

I don't think the argument that #1D are more value than #1 wingers is a very good one. There is a wide range among teams on what constitutes a #1D or a #1 winger. The more compelling argument is that all else being equal, a defenseman is more valuable than a winger.

 

[stevo61]

Nah we'll keep Jones pretty easily. Good on you for not sneaking Ceci in there though

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Kind of funny that you're praising Jones for being so young and he's actually almost 3 years older than Marner

I'm not praising anyone for being young. I'm making an objective statement that young #1 defenseman don't get traded for overpaid wingers.

 

[Viqsi]

Seems to prove the statement "1D are valuable than #1 wingers" are kinda ridiculous then right? Stupid to ignore the actual quality of players isn't it?

Not to say Jones isn't a fantastic player, but I'd rather Marner, doesn't matter that he's a winger. He drives play like a center.

I would argue that Jones is hypothetically more valuable on the trade market than Marner is, but that it's a moot point as it does not profit either team to make such a deal regardless. If this were a pure "asset value maximization" exercise, maybe one could justify Toronto pursuing it, but trades are ultimately about team building, and Toronto is built around its offense, of which Marner is an absolutely critical part. Accordingly, adding Jones wouldn't make up for losing Marner.

 

[GOilers88]

That's a completely valid perspective. If I had Marner on my team, I wouldn't want to trade him either.

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Haha. Aww come on, it'll be a gooder I promise

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

I'm not praising anyone for being young. I'm making an objective statement that young #1 defenseman don't get traded for overpaid wingers.

Oh, you were just trying to be objective and neglecting to mention that Marner is also a good young player. Got it!

 

[Drew311]

Leafs won’t trade Marner or Matthews. Faces of the franchise don’t get traded on a whim. Dubas will trade lesser pieces for a lesser defenseman. They don’t need a 1D, a couple of solid top 4D will suffice.

 

[Kelly]

Okay, serious question here. What do the Leafs need to do to become a perennial cup contender? I think it's fixing their D, which to my mind means the team isn't quite constructed correctly to do any damage in the playoffs. However, if you disagree tell me what you think they should do.

Their defense is obviously the weakness. But trading Marner blows a huge hole in their offense, totally tears down what they have up there. The powerplay becomes significantly worse, and we lose our (arguably) second best skater. Trading Marner is clearly not the answer. Upgrade the D within different avenues.

I don't think the argument that #1D are more value than #1 wingers is a very good one. There is a wide range among teams on what constitutes a #1D or a #1 winger. The more compelling argument is that all else being equal, a defenseman is more valuable than a winger.

Fair, but something I still don't agree with. Would people of taken prime Keith over Patty Kane? Some might of, but it's not that simple at all.

 

[Puckstuff]

Jones is a beast, # 1 d, top 10-15 in the game. Marner is a 90+ and likely 100 point winger in the making. They have to have similar value. Probably one of those deals where both teams just stick with there guy

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Oh, you were just trying to be objective and neglecting to mention that Marner is also a good young player. Got it!

If Jones was overpaid like Marner, I'd neglect to mention his youth as well. Being overpaid like that tends to dilute the value of a player, regardless of age.

 

[soothsayer]

The answer to every Jones proposal is always no. Whomever, whatever, whenever, forever. Always no.

 

[Michael HOMERUNing]

Not a big fan of Jones. Prefer Werenski.

I agree. Jones' defensive game seems to be overrated on here. Werenski IMO is already better than Jones

 

[ToneDog]

I would add to Marner to get Jones. It gives us the top dman we need and cap relief at the same time. Also note that Marner's AAV is greater that the money owed due to bonuses.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

I agree. Jones' defensive game seems to be overrated on here. Werenski IMO is already better than Jones

That's an outrageously stupid take, sorry.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

This thead happens once a week it seems

 

[north49er]

Winning attracts fans the most. And teams built around centers or defensemen win more than teams built around a winger.

...or jersey sales.

 

[Ctrain2k]

I can’t believe some people are saying Jones is only a top 15-20 D, I struggled to come up with 5 that are even arguable.