Confirmed with Link: Seth Jones, a late 1st, and a 6th for Boqvist, 2 1sts, and a 2nd, and Jones gets a massive extension

[Clownish]

I'm guessing Murphy is trade bait. The only reason I can think of for so many players looking worse than expected is conditioning or something off-ice. They all didn't forget how to play hockey in the offseason. I can't recall who Eddie and Pat said scored high on the fitness evaluation--they were talking about it on one of the few telecasts they did early in the year. It's like they knew that would come into play this season. They named about the top five scorers on that evaluation.

 

[BobbyJet]

I'm guessing Murphy is trade bait. The only reason I can think of for so many players looking worse than expected is conditioning or something off-ice. They all didn't forget how to play hockey in the offseason. I can't recall who Eddie and Pat said scored high on the fitness evaluation--they were talking about it on one of the few telecasts they did early in the year. It's like they knew that would come into play this season. They named about the top five scorers on that evaluation.

Murphy has always been average or below average. He did bring a physical element that was badly needed and he was younger than a battle-weary Hammer but there is no surprise here. He was overrated by Hawks fans from day 1. I think mostly to make an excuse for Stan getting fleeced once again in the one-for-one swap.
As for trade bait: good luck with that.

 

[Clownish]

You don't think he'll bring ANY interest? I'm not expecting anything to celebrate; just clear space for someone else since they have a few younger players who could take his minutes.

 

[Pez68]

I'm guessing Murphy is trade bait. The only reason I can think of for so many players looking worse than expected is conditioning or something off-ice. They all didn't forget how to play hockey in the offseason. I can't recall who Eddie and Pat said scored high on the fitness evaluation--they were talking about it on one of the few telecasts they did early in the year. It's like they knew that would come into play this season. They named about the top five scorers on that evaluation.

I've maintained that this team is poorly conditioned for YEARS. I still stand by that assessment. They've been running on fumes late in games since about 2016...

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

They need 2 top 9 centers, 2 top 6 wingers, a goalie, and at least 2 dmen. Thats a lot...

They need everything except a 1st line LW and a 1D. Dach needs to score, and unless he starts doing so they really can't pencil him in for a top 6 role (edited for clarity) They also basically have nothing on the farm outside of Reichel. Maybe a few guys that might top out as second pairing D.

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

Murphy has always been average or below average. He did bring a physical element that was badly needed and he was younger than a battle-weary Hammer but there is no surprise here. He was overrated by Hawks fans from day 1. I think mostly to make an excuse for Stan getting fleeced once again in the one-for-one swap.
As for trade bait: good luck with that.

I will disagree. Murphy was above average for each of the last 3 years until this one. He was bad his first year with the Hawks, got better, was pretty damn good last year, and then fell off of a cliff.

Maybe they can sucker some other team into believing a change of scenery will do him good, because otherwise, they're stuck with that contract and it sucks if this is the guy he's going to be going forward.

Remember, any team trading for Murphy also inherits his extension of 4x4.4

 

[jiboy]

Is there a protection on the first round pick ?

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

Is there a protection on the first round pick ?

Top 2 only, unfortunately.

 

[Pez68]

They need everything except a 1st line LW and a 1D. Dach needs to score, and unless he start's doing so they really can't pencil him in for anything. They also basically have nothing on the farm outside of Reichel. Maybe a few guys that might top out as second pairing D.

He would be a great 3C if he didn't develop AT ALL. Right now. Stop with the f***ing hyperbole.

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

He would be a great 3C if he didn't develop AT ALL. Right now. Stop with the f***ing hyperbole.

I meant top 6. I was talking about players to build a team around.

 

[Pez68]

I meant top 6. I was talking about players to build a team around.

He will absolutely be a 2C. At minimum.

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

He will absolutely be a 2C. At minimum.

I wish I had that much confidence in Dach right now.

 

[Mrfenn92]

I wish I had that much confidence in Dach right now.

Lol. In two games he could be a number one center or a Ahl mainstay with your swings bro.

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

Lol. In two games he could be a number one center or a Ahl mainstay with your swings bro.

I don't disagree with Pez that he's at least a 3C right now. We'll see how the new lines work.

 

[jaysoneil]

A Seth Jones thread with very little Seth Jones discussion.

No news must be good news.

 

[cassac]

A Seth Jones thread with very little Seth Jones discussion.

No news must be good news.

There should be some discussion on him. SJ is a legit #1D. IMO definitely top ten and to me trending towards top 5. He has played his way into the Norris discussion although it is very early in the year for that.

 

[sandyfalkirk]

He has been really good in my view. Does a lot of little things well, eats minutes and is providing offense.

The contract is too long I think but right now he's good.

 

[TLEH]

He certainly plays a lot of minutes and provides a lot of offense. He is fine defensively but isn't spectacular. At the end of the day I think this trade will be a negative due to team situation and how much cap space we gave up, along with the assets.

I'd rather have Boqvist, Silinger, 1st this year and Dougie Hamilton than having Seth Jones @ 9.5 and none of those assets.

 

[ClydeLee]

He certainly plays a lot of minutes and provides a lot of offense. He is fine defensively but isn't spectacular. At the end of the day I think this trade will be a negative due to team situation and how much cap space we gave up, along with the assets.

I'd rather have Boqvist, Silinger, 1st this year and Dougie Hamilton than having Seth Jones @ 9.5 and none of those assets.

Why would you assume you could of had Dougie?

 

[TLEH]

Why would you assume you could of had Dougie?

I mean he went to the Devils, I'm sure we could have. Regardless. If you wanted Seth Jones that bad, you could see that your roster sucks and then just wait a year and sign him for money. Or if you trade assets for him, then get him for less than 9.5 which is pretty much UFA money. You don't give up all the assets and then all the money, especially when you aren't going to win anything.

They gambled that a healthy Dach, a returning Toews, Seth Jones, and MAF would take a bottom 3 roster to contender THIS YEAR. It was a terrible decision.

 

[x Tame Impala]

75 point pace. Playing on this dump of a team, with bargain-bin quality of D partners.

 

[TLEH]

75 point pace. Playing on this dump of a team, with bargain-bin quality of D partners.

Yeah, I mean I guess, but his D isn't top tier and we suck(ed) anyway so what is the point in giving up all the assets for a guy a year away from UFA and paying him at a rate that basically sets the market for D? It was stupid.

 

[x Tame Impala]

Yeah, I mean I guess, but his D isn't top tier and we suck(ed) anyway so what is the point in giving up all the assets for a guy a year away from UFA and paying him at a rate that basically sets the market for D? It was stupid.

I think we should all let his career here play out a little bit before crying over spilled milk. He clearly has a lot of talent. Points aren’t everything and he’s gotta tighten up defensively however

 

[Pez68]

None of the "assets" will ever be even remotely close to the player Seth Jones is. You want a #1D you have to give something up. Continuing to complain about this trade is just dumb.

 

[ChiHawk21]

I mean he went to the Devils, I'm sure we could have. Regardless. If you wanted Seth Jones that bad, you could see that your roster sucks and then just wait a year and sign him for money. Or if you trade assets for him, then get him for less than 9.5 which is pretty much UFA money. You don't give up all the assets and then all the money, especially when you aren't going to win anything.

They gambled that a healthy Dach, a returning Toews, Seth Jones, and MAF would take a bottom 3 roster to contender THIS YEAR. It was a terrible decision.

that simple huh