EspenK
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I agree that Bob is worth 10% or so of the cap. I'd go as high as 9 mill. The problem in my mind is term. I would go 5 years tops. If he wants Price plus term and dollars AMF.
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I agree that Bob is worth 10% or so of the cap. I'd go as high as 9 mill. The problem in my mind is term. I would go 5 years tops. If he wants Price plus term and dollars AMF.
Well go back and pay him a bonus for 2013 and 2017.
Using that logic we should sign Ray Whitney and Rick Nash to Monster deals since Ray was the first All Star from Columbus and Nash was the franchise for several years. They earned it pay them too right? (Sarcasm folks)
Listen 5 years ago you were right. Every GM paid in every sport paid their players for future years based upon past performance. That doesn't fly any more. Players get paid based upon what teams project the players to do in the future. I don't mind paying Bob big money for 4 years, but after that he will be 35 and likely declining. So no way do I want to be giving him a 7-8 year deal for $9-10M/season. It may look ok for a couple seasons but at the back end it would be a disaster and likely crippling to the organization.
Other teams can afford it. THey have enough cash to buy guys out, Columbus is not a big $$$ team.
Now if Bob wants to be here and is willing to sign a 4 year deal then let's get something done, but this is one of the situations where if Bob wants a long term deal someone will give it to him. Columbus can pay him handsomely for a shorter term.
KJ Dangler
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Your 100% spot on... and if Bob hasn’t been one of the worst active goalies , in the playoffs, for his career, he may have a little leverage. Fact of the matter is, he has 0 leverage. This gives you some insight as to what the front office thinks ...
He also said he’d likely need some AHL time to get used to the speed of the NHL.
Cyclones Rock
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I know this has probably been answered numerous times, but could the CBJ buy out Merlikins team/contract and make him available this season for NHL action?
punk_o_holic
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His current team shot down the possibility during the Summer. He's not coming over this season. It sucks because I assume management wanted to see him how he does in the NHL. Would have made it easier regarding Bobrovsky and his contract status. Shows he's legit and they can let Bob go. Struggles and maybe they want to keep Bob.
https://swisshockeynews.ch/index.ph...ikins-considering-to-make-the-jump-to-the-nhl
Cyclones Rock
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Thanks.
You'd think that "if there's a will there's a way" would apply here. Money talk$$$
CBJWerenski8
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I believe the CBJ tried to talk to the club but they had no interest in negotiating. I think they did an entire press conference saying Elvis is a member of the team.
MoeBartoli
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Yes, but life has taught me most everyone/everyteam has a price.
There's an old George Bernard Shaw bit:
Gentleman: Will you sleep with me for one million dollars?
Lady: Well, I don't know. I've never had such a proposal.. Perhaps, I'll have to think...
Gentleman: How about for one hundred dollars?
Lady: ! What kind of lady do you think I am?
Gentleman: Madam we have already established that.
Iron Balls McGinty
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For what it’s worth, this is a goalie who has not played a single second of North American hockey. I know he’s talented and has a fiery attitude but let’s pull the reigns back before we anoint him the 2nd coming of Patrick Roy.
MoeBartoli
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Also attributed to Winston Churchill who supposedly added to the quote: "Madam we have already established that. Now we're haggling over price"
Also attributed to Winston Churchill who supposedly added to the quote: "Madam we have already established that. Now we're haggling over price"
Ah I forgot that last bit. Everything is (falsely) attributed to Churchill.
Cyclones Rock
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Also attributed to Winston Churchill who supposedly added to the quote: "Madam we have already established that. Now we're haggling over price"
Since we're on Churchill, here's my favorite:
Now Churchill has topped a poll of history's funniest insults with a famous jibe directed at either the socialist MP Bessie Braddock or the Conservative Lady Astor, the first female MP (depending on which version of the story you hear).
When accused by one of them of being 'disgustingly drunk' the Conservative Prime Minister responded: 'My dear, you are ugly, and what’s more, you are disgustingly ugly. But tomorrow I shall be sober and you will still be disgustingly ugly.'
Honestly the way the fans and media talk about Bob after he has been the best goalie this decade Id be ready to leave too. This team doesnt make the playoffs either of the past 2 years without him. His 1st series with us our team was not better then exactly where it ended which was a 1st round exit. The 2nd time we lost 100% Bob was garbage and we outplayed pitt so no excuse. This last one wasnt his fault. Injuries and ending up against the champs was just bad luck. But fact is when Bob has been healthy there has been no goalie on the planet better or more consistent and since he switched his training from strength to flexibility he has been dominant without a great D in front of him often due to our injury issues.
The man deserves better then he gets I have never seen any athlete on a pro team get so much hate for 0 reason. The coaches glow talking about his work ethic the players rave about his personality and his low key humor despite being introverted and is the only active goalie with multiple vezina trophies. He does charity work paying to get people in for every home game and single handedly keeps us in games and in contention when the rest of the team falls apart. You cant blame the guy who is the primary reason we actually currently have a winning culture and make the playoffs for our playoff record. He was bad in a couple games 2 years ago but that team we lost to had the 2 best C in the league at that time and went on to fairly easily win the cup that year.
I hope Bob wins a cup the forst year he isn't here just to to see most of you lose your mind just like the guys that still think we should have kept CryJo now realize that instead of being anchored to that contract we now have a top 3 D in the league that out scores that 1C with a beauty of a contract.
Bob deserves at least 8x8
The man deserves better then he gets I have never seen any athlete on a pro team get so much hate for 0 reason. The coaches glow talking about his work ethic the players rave about his personality and his low key humor despite being introverted and is the only active goalie with multiple vezina trophies. He does charity work paying to get people in for every home game and single handedly keeps us in games and in contention when the rest of the team falls apart. You cant blame the guy who is the primary reason we actually currently have a winning culture and make the playoffs for our playoff record. He was bad in a couple games 2 years ago but that team we lost to had the 2 best C in the league at that time and went on to fairly easily win the cup that year.
I hope Bob wins a cup the forst year he isn't here just to to see most of you lose your mind just like the guys that still think we should have kept CryJo now realize that instead of being anchored to that contract we now have a top 3 D in the league that out scores that 1C with a beauty of a contract.
Bob deserves at least 8x8
cbj21
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No idea what the best paied goalie gets but Bob deserves the same if not more. But from the interviews i think its fair to say both Russians is soon gone unfortunatly.
Iron Balls McGinty
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If that is all he was asking this would probably be close to done and a non issue. He makes 7.5 now.
Montreal ruined it with a horrible Carey Price contract. I would be real hesitant to sign any such contract with the year Price had last year before the contract even started.
Crede777
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I feel like there is no right answer here.
First, I don't read too much into Bob's statements at media day. He has always been very direct and concise when handling the media. While not necessarily as curt as he was that day, I don't think his tone or demeanor mean much.
Second, I am an outspoken opponent of giving his postseason performances too much credence. Small sample sizes and the last three appearances have been against Pittsburgh 2x and Washington. But I'll play devil's advocate. As someone broke it down for me - despite Bob being arguably the best goalie in the league (or at least top-3), the Jackets lack of postseason success speaks for itself. Bobrovsky may be part of the answer to winning the Cup, but he isn't THE answer. And the kind of contract he is demanding is one you typically reserve for THE answer. So no denying it he gets 10x8 or more, he will be overpaid.
Third, I think there is an argument that overpaying a few players is almost a necessity in today's game. Whether it be because of the demand for the player's services, the need to attract talent to a team the player views as less than ideal, or as payment for future (i.e. young stars with a rising cap) or past (bridge deal) underpayments.
Fourth, I think Bob can arguably be worth a mega deal if viewed as a one way ticket to the postseason. I think the argument exists that his postseason stats are less than critical given what he does for the team in the regular season. If I were a GM and I knew about a player who basically guaranteed I would make the playoffs each year but then disappeared in the postseason (Joe Thornton perhaps), I would still think long and hard about giving him a mega deal.
So I feel like the Bob situation has no answer. They either massively overpay and keep him (if he will have us, that is) or they lose him. Either way, he is doing the Jackets no favors. But with a player like him, maybe he has done us enough favors already.
First, I don't read too much into Bob's statements at media day. He has always been very direct and concise when handling the media. While not necessarily as curt as he was that day, I don't think his tone or demeanor mean much.
Second, I am an outspoken opponent of giving his postseason performances too much credence. Small sample sizes and the last three appearances have been against Pittsburgh 2x and Washington. But I'll play devil's advocate. As someone broke it down for me - despite Bob being arguably the best goalie in the league (or at least top-3), the Jackets lack of postseason success speaks for itself. Bobrovsky may be part of the answer to winning the Cup, but he isn't THE answer. And the kind of contract he is demanding is one you typically reserve for THE answer. So no denying it he gets 10x8 or more, he will be overpaid.
Third, I think there is an argument that overpaying a few players is almost a necessity in today's game. Whether it be because of the demand for the player's services, the need to attract talent to a team the player views as less than ideal, or as payment for future (i.e. young stars with a rising cap) or past (bridge deal) underpayments.
Fourth, I think Bob can arguably be worth a mega deal if viewed as a one way ticket to the postseason. I think the argument exists that his postseason stats are less than critical given what he does for the team in the regular season. If I were a GM and I knew about a player who basically guaranteed I would make the playoffs each year but then disappeared in the postseason (Joe Thornton perhaps), I would still think long and hard about giving him a mega deal.
So I feel like the Bob situation has no answer. They either massively overpay and keep him (if he will have us, that is) or they lose him. Either way, he is doing the Jackets no favors. But with a player like him, maybe he has done us enough favors already.
You say that and yet you give more time to the devil's argument that takes it for granted that he's a poor postseason goalie.
Bobrovsky can be THE answer. If the Jackets win the cup, chances are he'll be the one earning the Conn Smythe, and not because we won't have other great players.
The argument is about sample size, it's about playoff goaltending still being the same fundamental task as regular season goaltending, it's about only facing the best-shooting teams (Bob actually had better 5v5 sv% vs the Caps than Murray, Vasilevskiy, or Fleury), it's about stats being biased by an obscene number of penalties, but it's also a different story each year, each game. Prior to a poor third period of game 6, Bob was very good in this years playoffs. People seemed to have already forgotten that he got us deep into overtime multiple times early in that series. There were some amazing stops.
His sv% makes it look like the same old story, but it's not.
I would go 10m x 6 or 9m x 8, not sure about further.
Crede777
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From the looks of it here, the choir thinks Bob is a bad playoff goalie, and will continue to be.
Maylo
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..from the best PP in last 25 years in PO...and he still had second best PK sv% among four. 1 shorthanded goal that he allowed sunked his sv% in this PO.
Maylo
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..funny thing he had awfull sv% in regular season this year with Caps. ~850sv% in 4 games.
He actually improved in playoffs against them.- Status
