Eklund Rumor: Sergachev for Bouchard (MOD warning in OP)

[LafKak]

Johnson has negative value but you are about as wrong as possible on Palat. Tampa isn't moving him anyway, but he would not be added to in order to trade. 1st line player on the Cup champ that plays a very good 2 way game, yeah if he was available Brisebois would be hanging up the phone if teams were asking for 1sts added to Palat.

How are they paying Serg and Cirelli with 2 million in cap space? Cirelli is a Selke contender which means on a bridge deal he will require 6.5 and that’s a discount. Serg is a top pair Dman and they cost a ton as well.

Palat in a normal circumstance would be a positive value but how many contenders can take on 5 million dollar cap hit thru 21/22? CBJ but doubt they want to help Tampa repeat and they are not giving up a first for a 2nd line player. I think teams will hang up the phone the minute Tampa ask for any draft pick.

 

[LafKak]

Are we really trying to pretend that a 1 LW on the cup winning team has negative value now? Sure, Johnson clearly has negative value, but saying that Palat has negative value is completely absurd.

Name me a contender who can take on his salary/cap hit? Why would a rebuilding team give up assets for a 2 season rental? It would be different if he had one year left on the deal.

1LW so he’s on par with Marchand,Panarin,Ovi,Miller,Gaudreau,Huberdeau Hall? Those are 1st line LWers. He is a 2nd line player and at that cap hit nobody wants him when teams are cutting salary. I’m curious why teams would line up to pay assets to help Tampa keep Serg,AC.

 

[VinikToWinIt]

How are they paying Serg and Cirelli with 2 million in cap space? Cirelli is a Selke contender which means on a bridge deal he will require 6.5 and that’s a discount. Serg is a top pair Dman and they cost a ton as well.

Palat in a normal circumstance would be a positive value but how many contenders can take on 5 million dollar cap hit thru 21/22? CBJ but doubt they want to help Tampa repeat and they are not giving up a first for a 2nd line player. I think teams will hang up the phone the minute Tampa ask for any draft pick.

If Cirelli signs a bridge deal with the Lightning for $6.5M/year I'll eat my shoe, then fly to your house and eat your shoe too.

Point signed a bridge deal after a 41 goal, 92 point season in more secure financial circumstances for $6.75M, and it was one of the richest bridge deals in recent history. There is zero chance Cirelli gets close to that number.

 

[ManofSteel55]

How are they paying Serg and Cirelli with 2 million in cap space? Cirelli is a Selke contender which means on a bridge deal he will require 6.5 and that’s a discount. Serg is a top pair Dman and they cost a ton as well.

Palat in a normal circumstance would be a positive value but how many contenders can take on 5 million dollar cap hit thru 21/22? CBJ but doubt they want to help Tampa repeat and they are not giving up a first for a 2nd line player. I think teams will hang up the phone the minute Tampa ask for any draft pick.

Why would Cirelli get 6.5? At a discount? Selke contender doesn't add that much to a player's value. He'll get paid fairly, but he's a 40 point player to date. 40 point defensive specialists are valuable, but I'm not sure if I agree that it is 6.5 (at a discount) valuable. Especially with old standards tossed out the window.

 

[Mick Jagr]

You think Gourde is a 3m player? Okay then.

He's a good player, but when you have that much money invested in superstar forwards then Gourde at 5 is definitely overpayment.

 

[LafKak]

Why would Cirelli get 6.5? At a discount? Selke contender doesn't add that much to a player's value. He'll get paid fairly, but he's a 40 point player to date. 40 point defensive specialists are valuable, but I'm not sure if I agree that it is 6.5 (at a discount) valuable. Especially with old standards tossed out the window.

That’s what Tampa fans kept insisting how Rangers would need to offer Laff for him or Adam Fox. Even if somehow he settles less what do you think Serg is getting? Trouba got 8 mill as a RFA so why not Serg who is better and has more upside.

 

[LafKak]

If Cirelli signs a bridge deal with the Lightning for $6.5M/year I'll eat my shoe, then fly to your house and eat your shoe too.

Point signed a bridge deal after a 41 goal, 92 point season in more secure financial circumstances for $6.75M, and it was one of the richest bridge deals in recent history. There is zero chance Cirelli gets close to that number.

Point took a discount just look at what Toronto paid Nylander,Matthews and Marner. Look at Dras and McDavid’s deals. Wasn’t Point’s contract 3 years? Most bridge deals are 2 years with lower AAV for that reason.

 

[780il]

Saw this thread bumped for idk what reason since the Oilers have even less cap space than Tampa and still have Bear to sign. But, gonna reiterate that if this was possible 1 for 1, I would take it and run for either Bouchard or Broberg. Proven high end commodity >>> question marks any day. There isn’t a single drafted d prospect I would take over Sergachev rn, aside from maybe Seider, even then probably no.

 

[JTBF81]

How are they paying Serg and Cirelli with 2 million in cap space? Cirelli is a Selke contender which means on a bridge deal he will require 6.5 and that’s a discount. Serg is a top pair Dman and they cost a ton as well.

Palat in a normal circumstance would be a positive value but how many contenders can take on 5 million dollar cap hit thru 21/22? CBJ but doubt they want to help Tampa repeat and they are not giving up a first for a 2nd line player. I think teams will hang up the phone the minute Tampa ask for any draft pick.

You really have no clue about Tampa if you think Cirelli is getting 250k less on his bridge than Point. You can go on about Palat's status all you want, but Brisebois and Lightning fans don't care which teams can or can't take him, because he's not for trade, end of discussion.

 

[VinikToWinIt]

Point took a discount just look at what Toronto paid Nylander,Matthews and Marner. Look at Dras and McDavid’s deals. Wasn’t Point’s contract 3 years? Most bridge deals are 2 years with lower AAV for that reason.

You specified that he would get a $6.5M bridge deal, so I compared him to a bridge deal.

Matthews: 5 years
Nylander: 6 years
Marner: 6 years
McDavid: 8 years
Draisaitl: 8 years

None of those are bridge deals, and none of those were signed in the fallout of the worst pandemic in about a century.

 

[NatoGhost]

How are they paying Serg and Cirelli with 2 million in cap space? Cirelli is a Selke contender which means on a bridge deal he will require 6.5 and that’s a discount. Serg is a top pair Dman and they cost a ton as well.

Palat in a normal circumstance would be a positive value but how many contenders can take on 5 million dollar cap hit thru 21/22? CBJ but doubt they want to help Tampa repeat and they are not giving up a first for a 2nd line player. I think teams will hang up the phone the minute Tampa ask for any draft pick.

So somehow Cirelli as an RFA is guaranteed 6.5 on a bridge deal and Palat is negative value? hahahahhaha

 

[NatoGhost]

Name me a contender who can take on his salary/cap hit? Why would a rebuilding team give up assets for a 2 season rental? It would be different if he had one year left on the deal.

1LW so he’s on par with Marchand,Panarin,Ovi,Miller,Gaudreau,Huberdeau Hall? Those are 1st line LWers. He is a 2nd line player and at that cap hit nobody wants him when teams are cutting salary. I’m curious why teams would line up to pay assets to help Tampa keep Serg,AC.

Maybe the same ones that can afford Cirelli at 6.5. He won't get more than 4m from Tampa and that's high.

 

[McShogun99]

What will probably happen is once the season starts teams will start creating cap space by putting players on LTIR. Tampa will then trade a few players with one being a player that no one will expect (Vasilevskiy) and then have the space to resign their RFA's.

I'll make a bold prediction. Vasilevskiy to Nashville for Saros and Askarov.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

What will probably happen is once the season starts teams will start creating cap space by putting players on LTIR. Tampa will then trade a few players with one being a player that no one will expect (Vasilevskiy) and then have the space to resign their RFA's.

I'll make a bold prediction. Vasilevskiy to Nashville for Saros and Askarov.

Nashville probably has little interest in trading for Vasilevskiy in this climate. Not saying they're a cash-strapped team or anything but I don't see why they'd spend that much on goaltending when they're doing alright on that front and need forwards, if anything? I can see Nashville and Tampa being trade partners for say Killorn for a pick or something but not that deal.

 

[CanadienShark]

What will probably happen is once the season starts teams will start creating cap space by putting players on LTIR. Tampa will then trade a few players with one being a player that no one will expect (Vasilevskiy) and then have the space to resign their RFA's.

I'll make a bold prediction. Vasilevskiy to Nashville for Saros and Askarov.

I'm sure Tampa would be OK with that. Not sure why Nashville would.

 

[thadd]

The one thing I don't get about Elkund is why he doesn't attempt to go for something more realistic. Edmonton doesn't have a ton of cap space and they've still gotta resign Ethan Bear. On top of that this trade forces Edmonton to protect 1 more player at the expansion draft.

Sergachev would very much be a big upgrade for Edmonton, but they'd have to trade someone important away for pennies to stay cap compliant, so it probably has a big enough drawback for Oiler fans to be able to say it's by no means worth their time.

 

[lakai17]

Sergachev is decent. I'd make Tampa add due to the situation they're in. Add a top prospect.

Segachev would look good in the Oilers top 4 on defence. You go for a defenceman like Sergachev if possible.

 

[Henkka]

So somehow Cirelli as an RFA is guaranteed 6.5 on a bridge deal and Palat is negative value? hahahahhaha

Evolvong-hockey estimations for Cirelli:

Think we will get equal caphit with Palat, that's where he would slot fairly.

1-year, 3.9M
2-year, 3.7M
3-year, 4.5M
4-year, 5.0M
5-year, 5.4M
6-year, 5.8M
7-year, 6.0M
8-year, 6.8M

Think they will go with ~5.3M (Palat value) and that makes the term 5-year.

 

[LafKak]

You really have no clue about Tampa if you think Cirelli is getting 250k less on his bridge than Point. You can go on about Palat's status all you want, but Brisebois and Lightning fans don't care which teams can or can't take him, because he's not for trade, end of discussion.

Oh I know about Tampa like everyone else knows that players take less to stay in Tampa..... let me know how it goes with AC and Serg making a combined 2 million next year which leaves you no room. I get it you think Palat is better than Panarin but you need to clear cap space to sign Serg and AC. Every team in the league made a statement about Tyler Johnson and Tampa’s cap situation. Mike Hoffman is available as a UFA and Granlund as well. What players do you plan on trading? I’m genuinely curious.

 

[LafKak]

You specified that he would get a $6.5M bridge deal, so I compared him to a bridge deal.

Matthews: 5 years
Nylander: 6 years
Marner: 6 years
McDavid: 8 years
Draisaitl: 8 years

None of those are bridge deals, and none of those were signed in the fallout of the worst pandemic in about a century.

How is AC not worth 3.25 cap hit for 2 years? Didn’t I say 6.5 bridge deal? Lmao Later on I mention Palat’s 5 million cap hit. Tampa fans are all over the map. First you say you should get Laf or Fox for him now you say he’s not really good and Selke contender means nothing.I just am wondering how you are clearing money off the books to sign both guys but some reason you think both guys will sign for 1 million cap hit because of COVID. Have people forgotten what happen to the Hawks twice in the 2010’s and that didn’t have a pandemic. That’s how the cap works.

 

[LafKak]

Maybe the same ones that can afford Cirelli at 6.5. He won't get more than 4m from Tampa and that's high.

I had his cap hit at 3.25. Notice how I said 6.5 bridge deal and followed up talking about Palat’s 5.0 million cap hit. Funny one of your pals said Palat is the best LW in the game when he is a 2nd line talent.

 

[Dankmemes187]

Evolvong-hockey estimations for Cirelli:

Think we will get equal caphit with Palat, that's where he would slot fairly.

1-year, 3.9M
2-year, 3.7M
3-year, 4.5M
4-year, 5.0M
5-year, 5.4M
6-year, 5.8M
7-year, 6.0M
8-year, 6.8M

Think they will go with ~5.3M (Palat value) and that makes the term 5-year.

you set the dates wrong when calculating his salary. apparently the longer the team (negotiates) the cheaper the player will be
1-year, 3.8M
2-year, 3.7M
3-year, 4.4M
4-year, 5.0M
5-year, 5.2M
6-year, 5.8M
7-year, 6.0M
8-year, 6.5M

 

[Habs Halifax]

Sergachev is decent. I'd make Tampa add due to the situation they're in. Add a top prospect.

Segachev would look good in the Oilers top 4 on defence. You go for a defenceman like Sergachev if possible.

Sergachev is more than decent and is worth more the Bouchard. That's enough overpayment if that's a deal both sides wants to do. However, how are the Oilers going to sign Sergachev and fit their cap? I heard Klefbom is hurt but not so sure he is guaranteed to miss the entire year? A bit risky there if he comes back

On a bridge deal, I see Sergachev getting McAvoy type AAV.

 

[Mr Positive]

Sergachev is more than decent and is worth more the Bouchard. That's enough overpayment if that's a deal both sides wants to do. However, how are the Oilers going to sign Sergachev and fit their cap? I heard Klefbom is hurt but not so sure he is guaranteed to miss the entire year? A bit risky there if he comes back

On a bridge deal, I see Sergachev getting McAvoy type AAV.

It seems like the kind of recovery for Klefbom that could be drawn out as long as we'd want to. If hes done early he could always use more therapy there. He'll never be 100% to what he was a couple years ago. But we dont know exactly what is going on with him other than that he has arthritis in his shoulders

 

[Habs Halifax]

It seems like the kind of recovery for Klefbom that could be drawn out as long as we'd want to. If hes done early he could always use more therapy there. He'll never be 100% to what he was a couple years ago. But we dont know exactly what is going on with him other than that he has arthritis in his shoulders

It don't work that way. Klefbom drives that boat more than the Oilers do. You can do little things but at the end of the day, Klefbom wants to play and will work hard at getting healthy. Sorry, I don't support the narrative of a team delaying a injury recovery on a player like that.