Eklund Rumor: Sergachev for Bouchard (MOD warning in OP)

[BoltSTH]

Sergachev is the long time partner for Hedman going forward. He is part of the core (Kucherov, Point,Hedman,Sergachev,Vasy) now. He said recently in Russia that he would like to play for the Bolts until he is 40, so the chance of him signing an OS is slim, unless it is a 4 1st type of offer. He will take a $4.5m bridge deal, just like Kucherov, Vasy, Palat, Johnson,Point..... did.
FYI: Sergachev can play LH or RH D, but he has said he prefers RH, and we have Hedman and McD on the left.

 

[TBF1972]

You dont understand how contracts work in most of these European leagues, do you?

khl is the only league without an opt out for the nhl.

 

[BrannigansLaw]

Sergachev isn't getting full value in a trade. Tampa wants salary help? f***'em.

He won't but they don't have to trade him to Edmonton. You act like Sergachev is demanding a trade to the Oilers lol

 

[yababy]

I got to hand it to Eklund. This is a smart trade idea. The Oilers are overloaded at RHD, making it hard for Bouchard to break in atm. Klefboms injury opens up a LHD spot, and gives cap space.

Bouchard is a blue chip prospect so if they need to give up Sergachev, it's good to get an ultra talented, cost controlled asset

every team needs cost control, not just TBay.
Oilers cap hit is 81M
TBay cap hit is 78M

So how is this rational?

 

[bucks_oil]

The selling point when he got drafted was that he was mature physically and either NHL ready or close to.

No one here can say that the following months/years went as expected. He might get to destination but so far he's behind schedule.

What?!?!

Oilers easily could have kept him on the team after his 9 games in year 1 post draft, he was good enough to be our 6th/7th D. The only reason they sent him back was to play the long game and hopefully see him top out as a true all-situations #1 rather than a 2nd/3rd pairing offensive D and pp QB.

That D+1 season he (again) scored more than a point per game in the OHL, then scored nearly 2 points per game (21 in 11) in the playoffs, THEN went to the AHL playoffs and scored a point a game there too (8 in 8).

The following D+2 season he successfully transitioned to the AHL. Scored 36 in 54.

Now he's part way into D+3, and on loan due to no NHL season. And doing quite well, 14 points in 18 games.

Where do you see "behind schedule"? How often do you see a non-top 5 drafted D make the NHL in his D+2? It's pretty rare... far more normal to see a year of junior, then a year of AHL. And we don't know that he won't be in the NHL this year (most predict he will).

 

[yababy]

Bouchard has proven nothing. Sorry unless there is a massive add by the Oilers I can’t see TB even considering it.

you're severely underestimating the value of cap space and cost control.
Sergachev is likely demanding 6M +...NOW
Bouchard is under 1M for three more years.

If I'm the Oilers I don't do this deal even 1:1

 

[DaPhazz]

That would be a huge steal for the Oilers!
Bouchard kind of sucks

Not a big fan of Bouchard myself, but man gtfo

 

[voxel]

every team needs cost control, not just TBay.
Oilers cap hit is 81M
TBay cap hit is 78M

So how is this rational?

FYI Oilers will put Klefbom on LTIR and they have 15 forwards signed so 2-3 will be sent down and save $2+M - with that $6.5M they have to fit Ethan Bear (RFA).

 

[golffuul]

I do this trade if I'm Tampa...I don't, if I'm Edmonton.

 

[nbwingsfan]

khl is the only league without an opt out for the nhl.

Nope. Most SHL contracts dont either.

 

[nbwingsfan]

every team needs cost control, not just TBay.
Oilers cap hit is 81M
TBay cap hit is 78M

So how is this rational?

Probably because the Oilers have a full roster and Tampa has three key players still not signed and are are looking at $10-12M to sign all three?

 

[belair]

He won't but they don't have to trade him to Edmonton. You act like Sergachev is demanding a trade to the Oilers lol

I didn't even mention Edmonton.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

khl is the only league without an opt out for the nhl.

This is correct for offseason. But SHL doesn’t have an opt out for during the season, so if bouchard was playing in the SHL we couldn’t bring him back until their season was over

 

[LafKak]

Sergachev is the long time partner for Hedman going forward. He is part of the core (Kucherov, Point,Hedman,Sergachev,Vasy) now. He said recently in Russia that he would like to play for the Bolts until he is 40, so the chance of him signing an OS is slim, unless it is a 4 1st type of offer. He will take a $4.5m bridge deal, just like Kucherov, Vasy, Palat, Johnson,Point..... did.
FYI: Sergachev can play LH or RH D, but he has said he prefers RH, and we have Hedman and McD on the left.

Don’t you need cap space for it to be 4.5? Tampa has less than that but perhaps you know more. They also have AC. Palat,Johnson could be traded but will Tampa give multiple firsts to make it happen since in a COVID world they are both negative trade value. Rebuilders won’t take on salary on multiple year contracts. Rangers had to give up a 2nd for Someone to take Staal and honestly it seemed more like a favor for Gorton who helped Stevie Y get two legit top 2 line players for very little.

 

[JTBF81]

Don’t you need cap space for it to be 4.5? Tampa has less than that but perhaps you know more. They also have AC. Palat,Johnson could be traded but will Tampa give multiple firsts to make it happen since in a COVID world they are both negative trade value. Rebuilders won’t take on salary on multiple year contracts. Rangers had to give up a 2nd for Someone to take Staal and honestly it seemed more like a favor for Gorton who helped Stevie Y get two legit top 2 line players for very little.

Johnson has negative value but you are about as wrong as possible on Palat. Tampa isn't moving him anyway, but he would not be added to in order to trade. 1st line player on the Cup champ that plays a very good 2 way game, yeah if he was available Brisebois would be hanging up the phone if teams were asking for 1sts added to Palat.

 

[JTBF81]

Sergachev is the long time partner for Hedman going forward. He is part of the core (Kucherov, Point,Hedman,Sergachev,Vasy) now. He said recently in Russia that he would like to play for the Bolts until he is 40, so the chance of him signing an OS is slim, unless it is a 4 1st type of offer. He will take a $4.5m bridge deal, just like Kucherov, Vasy, Palat, Johnson,Point..... did.
FYI: Sergachev can play LH or RH D, but he has said he prefers RH, and we have Hedman and McD on the left.

Agree, and depending on if they re-sign Rutta, Serg could be paired with Hedman this season. Have Hedman-Serg, McD-Cernak and Coburn-Foote if Rutta doesn't come back. Based on some other short bridge typedeals, I could see the main 3 rfas take 2 year bridges which could also keep the aav down. Serg at ~4, Cirelli between 3-3.5 and Cernak at 2 tops on 2 year deals. Given Tampa's history of getting rfas to take team friendly deals it wouldn't be all that surprising. Trading Johnson and Paquette gives Tampa almost 9 after factoring in Paquette's replacement at or near league min, and if they trade Coburn, they likely have enough to sign Rutta and maybe one more depth F or D as well.

 

[Zahra Starker]

Sergachev isn't getting full value in a trade. Tampa wants salary help? f***'em.

they might not but they sure as hell get about 80-90% of his value and it will still cost Bouchard ++

 

[HowSweeeedeItIs]

Don’t you need cap space for it to be 4.5? Tampa has less than that but perhaps you know more. They also have AC. Palat,Johnson could be traded but will Tampa give multiple firsts to make it happen since in a COVID world they are both negative trade value. Rebuilders won’t take on salary on multiple year contracts. Rangers had to give up a 2nd for Someone to take Staal and honestly it seemed more like a favor for Gorton who helped Stevie Y get two legit top 2 line players for very little.

Are we really trying to pretend that a 1 LW on the cup winning team has negative value now? Sure, Johnson clearly has negative value, but saying that Palat has negative value is completely absurd.

 

[JuJu Mobb]

I know TB is struggling with the cap but Sergachev is a gem entering the beginning of his prime.

Keep him and trade somebody else.

 

[ConnorMcNugesaitl]

Still makes zero sense for the Oilers even though Sergachev is the better player now and may always be. Oilers can't afford to pay him now and already have expansion issues on defense without trading an exempt asset for an eligible one.

If I'm Holland talking to Tampa it's moving Kassian for one of there guys they need to move in order to free up a couple million in cap space for Tampa.

 

[zcaptain]

The Devils should offer sheet Sergachev. 4 years x 6.5 mil per. Cost in compo is only a 1st and 3rd. I don’t know that Tampa could match that. There’s not much shuffling they could do to fit him in with all the NTC’s on that roster. And the picks could be appealing enough vs the cap gymnastics they’d have to perform to even attempt to fit another 6.5 mil on the roster.

Serg gets a nice pay day AND hits UFA status at the the earliest opportunity.

I honest think that is the best thing that the Devils could do. This is a home run for them. Personally, I would want to get as close to the magic number as possible 4 X 6,544,640 per (add in the cents if you can), it just adds another hurdle for anyone else, and for Tampa too!

I think this is better than anything that NJ could do with the picks lost, and far less risk!

 

[JTBF81]

I honest think that is the best thing that the Devils could do. This is a home run for them. Personally, I would want to get as close to the magic number as possible 4 X 6,544,640 per (add in the cents if you can), it just adds another hurdle for anyone else, and for Tampa too!

I think this is better than anything that NJ could do with the picks lost, and far less risk!

And then Sergachev would just have to want to leave the Cup champs where he is very happy for a cellar dweller, where he has a weak chance at the playoffs while there, let alone a Cup. He has already made it pretty clear he enjoys it in Tampa and has no plans to leave, there have been no offer sheets reported yet(and the few that have occurred usually come early), and most teams that he'd even consider leaving for don't have the space to throw the type of OS needed to possibly lure him, and therefore most Tampa fans aren't worried about him leaving that way. Given that Brisebois has shown zero interest in trading him, and this is an Eklund rumor, there's little concern over Serg leaving at this time from those that really follow Tampa.

 

[Mr Positive]

And then Sergachev would just have to want to leave the Cup champs where he is very happy for a cellar dweller, where he has a weak chance at the playoffs while there, let alone a Cup. He has already made it pretty clear he enjoys it in Tampa and has no plans to leave, there have been no offer sheets reported yet(and the few that have occurred usually come early), and most teams that he'd even consider leaving for don't have the space to throw the type of OS needed to possibly lure him, and therefore most Tampa fans aren't worried about him leaving that way. Given that Brisebois has shown zero interest in trading him, and this is an Eklund rumor, there's little concern over Serg leaving at this time from those that really follow Tampa.

This argument is going in circles. Of course Brisebois's plan is to trade the other high cap hits and keep his young RFAs.

All this speculation by everyone, including Eklund, is based on the reasonable assumption that Tampa's plan will fail, and that Sergachev has a limit to how much money he will leave on the table.

It really feels like the 2010 Hawks. No, the plan was not to walk away from Byfuglien, Ladd, etc. They did not want to leave either. But, this is what the cap does to a champ. Why is Tampa any different?

 

[Mr Positive]

one way out might be Stamkos. I haven't followed that situation, but is there any chance that he will give LTIR space again?

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

I know TB is struggling with the cap but Sergachev is a gem entering the beginning of his prime.

Keep him and trade somebody else.

It's not that easy considering that most players on Tampa's roster have no movement clauses. Only Killorn is movable alone with Paquette.