Oblivion Beckons
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Obviously a post like that wouldn’t be allowed here because of its political nature.It used to be that people had cause to label someone as a racist, since that was a very serious accusation at one point. I don't think it is as much anymore though because of how misused it's been in recent years - case in point, you saying he "publicly supports racist people and groups".
I would love to hear who you're talking about and why they are racists.
1. Maybe, but people change a lot from when they are 17-18. Weak if that’s all you’ve got.
2. Would that reflect on him or his father?
3. That’s appealing to authority without even using direct evidence.
4. I wouldn’t like it if I was an NHL team. It’s an unnecessary distraction, but it takes some real moral superiority to tell someone they must take verbal abuse from strangers on the internet without responding back. Also, players like Marchand and Voracek have done the same thing.
5. Are you kidding? This must be a joke. The goalie sucked and was the reason for the loss. If not a teammate, the goalie should expect the coach to berate him.
I haven't done that, I pointed out you're as much apart of the outrage issue as anyone so you ought not to exclude yourself and mentioned what I'd heard from Sarnia fans regarding the alleged slur. Haven't made a post saying how I feel about him one way or the other...but get your ounce of outrage on his behalf .Except you’re outrage is because someone said something mean (and you don’t even know what it was), and mine is because you’ve all adopted a guilty until proven innocent mentality.
CaNcEl CuLtUrE!!!Rangers fans have been letting everyone know what a great guy DeAngelo is and how he isn't a cancer yet he has been blacklisted by the Rangers organization for some odd reason. Truly a mystery.
I haven't done that, I pointed out you're as much apart of the outrage issue as anyone so you ought not to exclude yourself and mentioned what I'd heard from Sarnia fans regarding the alleged slur. Haven't made a post saying how I feel about him one way or the other...but get your ounce of outrage on his behalf .
You're defending him as blind as the people judging him, you've just rationalized it as being different even though you are on a crusade in defense of him because anonymous posters on a hockey message board are being mean to him.
and probably terminally online. So this is just a proxy battle for you in the larger online culture wars you find yourself to be a soldier inI’m not defending him as much as I’m defending the concept of innocent until proven guilty. I’m also against cancel culture.
You are being disingenuous. That wasn’t said by him. If you want to asset someone is racist, show proof. Don’t try to conflate the issue by saying one inappropriate behavior is the same as another. They are separate issues.
Generally, I agree. There should be no difference. Insulting someone with a slur is bad. Trying to delineate between ethnic and racial is getting in the weeds and misses the larger point that both are bad. However, let’s not act like there isn’t a norm win society where we treat one as worse than another.
It's not cancel culture when he's being held accountable for his own actions. The fact his act and numerous red flags have resulted in 3 teams to give up on him already says a lot imo.I’m not defending him as much as I’m defending the concept of innocent until proven guilty. I’m also against cancel culture.
Russian guys, what is the approach of KHL teams to this kind of person/player? I saw Voynov mentioned here, Peters is coaching in Russia, these two are each persona non grata in NHL, but aside from their incidents, they are probably pretty good teammate, respectable coach. On the other hand, Tony seems like a guy with a problematic personality whose behaviour could possibly become a distraction for the team.
I would love to see him in KHL. He is so talented and I think larger ice would fit him very well. Could be a big addition to the league.
It's not cancel culture when he's being held accountable for his own actions. The fact his act and numerous red flags have resulted in 3 teams to give up on him already says a lot imo.
The NHL operates under CBA and as such doesn't need to comply with all the employments laws. How they operate is set out in the CBA and owners and players agree to it via ratification votes and player contracts. There definitely are good behaviour clauses.Some of the attitudes here would be considered illegal under Canadian employment laws. Just a FYI.
He deserves to go.
Given the cheap buyout coupled w/fact he would be marked and have to be on best behavior, might have been worth a gamble if cheap on a short term deal.
As it is NY can't wait for buy out window to open and recover most of his cap.
You would think there might be some intersection of numbers where it pays for him to sign a contract overseas, now. NY would oblige w/release from current deal.
I’m not defending him as much as I’m defending the concept of innocent until proven guilty. I’m also against cancel culture.
You do understand that he'd be able to play hockey in other leagues, right?If that were true then why do so many people hope he never plays in the NHL again when they don’t even know what his actions were?
It's pretty telling that he still has attitude issues hovering over him over an 8 year span. The fact he hasn't learned anything in that amount of time has nothing to do with being fully developed or not.Your brain isn't even fully developed at that age. So yes, he is still a kid.
There's no concept of "innocent until proven guilty" unless you're in a court of law. This is, in effect, a labour dispute. It's not "cancel culture" if your employer doesn't like how you conduct yourself by causing trouble with your colleagues and no longer wants you to work for them. If there's some kind of conduct/performance clause in your contract, well, that's how it is.
It's also telling when people judge without knowing the facts. And I have notice that support of a certain individual has caused some normally rational people turn irrational. Especially when it comes to people dealing with family, friends and co-workers.It's pretty telling that he still has attitude issues hovering over him over an 8 year span. The fact he hasn't learned anything in that amount of time has nothing to do with being fully developed or not.
Id personally be surprised if the team lied and him fighting with a teammate was false since it would mean NYR depreciating an asset, but hey I guess you never know.It's also telling when people judge without knowing the facts. And I have notice that support of a certain individual has caused some normally rational people turn irrational. Especially when it comes to people dealing with family, friends and co-workers.
Is that what happen, IDK. But I'm not picking sides because that would be dumb without knowing all the facts.
Russian guys, what is the approach of KHL teams to this kind of person/player? I saw Voynov mentioned here, Peters is coaching in Russia, these two are each persona non grata in NHL, but aside from their incidents, they are probably pretty good teammate, respectable coach. On the other hand, Tony seems like a guy with a problematic personality whose behaviour could possibly become a distraction for the team.
I would love to see him in KHL. He is so talented and I think larger ice would fit him very well. Could be a big addition to the league.
Would it really be that big of a leap that an "outspoken supporter of someone controversial" that a owner or GM might act irrationally? Sorry, I've seen too many things in the last 4 years to give either side any benefit of doubt.Id personally be surprised if the team lied and him fighting with a teammate was false since it would mean NYR depreciating an asset, but hey I guess you never know.