Confirmed with Link: Sens acquire Callahan + pick for Condon + pick

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  1. BatherSeason

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    The same guy who one season earlier gifted Condon with a sweetheart deal for a backup goal, completely reverts course and we applaud him for fixing his own mess. Nice one Count!
     
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    You're being obtuse. TB did not want Mike Condon. They took him on in exchange for us taking on Callahan's cap hit. If, instead of us sending Condon their way we bought him out, there surely would have been another form of compensation on the table.

    Given TB's situation, they probably would have preferred to part with a draft pick than take on Condon.
     
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    Or it's based on a large number of past deals in which cap space was acquired for an actual hockey asset.
     
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    In theory, aren't there a whole bunch of teams that could have done what you proposed, but nothing was done? Columbus, NJ, Minny, LA. Why didn't someone take advantage of taking that LTIR contract?
     
  5. BatherSeason

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    Tear down and a rebuild while also extending the competitive windows of two divisional rivals by providing them the cap flexibility to sign their young stars. Bravo Pierre!
     
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    I don't blame Melnyk and Dorion. I blame the NHL CBA for allowing this type of bull**** in the first place. Every time they conceive a CBA, they leave 100 different salary loopholes and ways around the "spirit of the agreement" for teams to find every possible edge they can get to **** over the salary cap.

    It used to be massively front loaded deals with 3-5 "dead" years tacked on to the end to bring AAVs down. Then they figured you could just throw guys in the minors and be rid of their deadweight contracts when they stopped performing. Then they found a way to give monstrous signing bonuses where players are being paid 80-90% of their total contract value in signing bonuses. And now teams have figured out a way to weaponize LTIR contracts to both reach the floor and go over the ceiling of the cap.

    Why be mad at Melnyk and Dorion? They're abusing the spirit of this agreement just like virtually every other team is doing in one way or another. Same ****, different pile.
     
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    Once again, Condon was on this roster because of the contract offered to him by Eugene Melnyk and Pierre Dorion.
     
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    I thought they moved up a round. I guess the difference isn't big if Tampa doesn't choke this year.
     
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    We 100% did not need to dump condon from a hockey ops perspective, though.

    Like, at all.

    So the argument is not that dumping Condon had no trade value in a vacuum... but rather why did we choose "dumping Condon" as the asset we wanted in return for taking on Callahan, instead of an actual hockey asset that might have helped the rebuild?
     
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    We're actually aiming to compete for a playoff spot next year, and the following year we're expected to compete in the playoffs.

    That's from Pierre Dorion's mouth himself.

    Do you have a source that indicates that the opposite is true, and the Senators are in fact looking to get better draft picks by playing poorly?
     
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    I agree... the only person this deal benefits is Melnyk
     
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    Do you know that for sure? Condon only has 1 year left on his deal. Tampa could easily absorb that cap hit for 1 season and save having to move a decent draft pick.

    Again, you're all getting upset over an imaginary trade that didn't happen that you don't even know if the other team would accept.
     
  13. DaveMatthew

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    We likely would have had a top 5 pick in the 6th round (156-160).
    We acquired a pick that is likely to be in the bottom of the 5th round (151-155).

    The swap in picks is negligible.
     
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    My use of the word 'probably' would have indicated to even a moderately-skilled English reader that in fact I don't know that for sure.
     
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    Why is is terrible? Is the team trying to make the playoffs next year? Are they trying to free up spaces for prospects in the organization? Is it wrong, in the meantime to save money?

    Best thing is for this team to get some playing time for the younger guys and be a lottery team. I don't think much else matters
     
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    All while extending the window of contending for divisional rivals by helping them re-sign their stars, one year after refusing to trade Mike Hoffman within the division.
     
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    ....that's exactly my point. Why are you getting upset over something you don't even know for sure???
     
  18. DaveMatthew

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    Pierre Dorion has gone on record that his expectation for this team, next year, is to be in the playoff hunt.
     
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    The good news is you may yet see the value that Tampa would have given to not include Condon. With Condon buried they have 11.1M ca[ space to sign Point, Erne and add 1 more FW. They may look to addf another 1.3m by dumping Condon. Say Condon and a 3rd for a 5th round pick type move.
     
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    At this point Melnyk would give Dorion a gold star and an A+ as a rating this year. It sucks for us, but PD sure does his masters bidding very well. I am glad we got rid of Condon for our young goalies, but sucks that PD has to find a way to save money with EVERY move he makes. An inexperienced (and probably not very good) GM being handcuffed like this is nuts. These are the Melnyk years...
     
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    Carolina got a first for cap relief when they had way more dollars spent on a team that generates far less revenue than the sens. The sens moved 1 to 5 spots in the 150th pls pick in the draft for giving a division rival cap relief. This is not smart this is getting taken to the woodshed.
     
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    I think the point they are trying to make would be to just take on Callahan and a solid asset like a 2nd/3rd rounder for nothing going the other way, instead of including Condon and nerfing the return. Take Callahan and the 2nd rounder, LTIR the player, and waive Condon for his last remaining year.
     
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    I'm confused. Why didn't Tampa LTIR him? Does it count against the cap? Didn't Toronto just do that with Clarkson?
     
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    LTIR always counts against the cap.
    This helps them prevent bonus overages. Toronto isn't worried about bonus overages.
     
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    AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SELL the TEAM!! This crap is so painful to watch over and over again!!! there no HOPE!!! GOD~!
     
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