Confirmed with Link: Sens acquire Callahan + pick for Condon + pick

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  1. Ice-Tray

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    Personally I’d rather he not share that kind of stuff in the media.

    I’d also rather that the players didn’t have to hear that kind of stuff from management in the media.

    Every fan base deals with GM Speak, and I suspect that PD would much rather be able to do his job without crushing financial restraints.

    We’re all adults here, we shouldn’t need the obvious trotted out in the media.

    He’ll be gone one day, and we’ll all laugh about these times. The thing about dark days is that you have to live through them.
     
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    Come in peace, but a serious question.

    Why the hell would any fan continue to support this team financially with season tickets or going to games? Drive this moron out.

    It’s beyond obvious this organization is influenced in a negative way by a meddling owner who either cannot, or isn’t willing to spend the appropriate amount of money needed to make an NHL team successful.
     
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    No the money will stay in Melnyks pocket.
     
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    We didn't need to do ANYTHING with Condon, though. I guarantee Tampa would have preferred to gove us real hockey assets instead of taking back $2.4mil in cap hit. They needed to dump money, not take more back.

    We could have made a hockey trade. Instead, we used an opportunity to get real assets back and instead insisted that they take back a contract that we 100% didn't need to get rid of from a hockey ops perspective.

    It's just another reminder that this organizarion values saving money over actual positive hockey decisions. And it's depressing.
     
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    Whenever I think of Melnyk I always think back to this throw back commercial.
     
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    Very well said.
     
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    Dorion loses all leverage in this type of deal because opposing GM's know this actually benefits our situation.

    The cap is irrelevant because we don't spend to it anyway and we save money. In the context of an owner that is giving as little money as possible to the team while simultaneously reaching the cap floor, it's a win.

    So when Dorion goes to ask for a high pick they laugh and say you have no power here (In a Theodeon LOTR 2 voice)
     
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    How is this a good trade? Cap space is a very valuable asset, the sens moved 1 to 5 spots in the draft around the 176th pick. Its pathetic and just shows this has nothing to do with being competitive. Anyone contributing any money to this team is part of the problem.
     
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    I agree but it's mind blowing the league would allow him to operate the franchise like this
     
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    Hindsight is 20/20

    Not signing Condon meant keeping Hammond on the roster or having to sign another backup.
     
  12. Qward

    Qward Because! That's why!

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    For anyone who enjoys it when others pity them, this is the team to cheer for.
     
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    branch boomerang my twiggy

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    "We are obligated to meet the salary cap floor"

    -The Ottawa Senators
     
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    I bet Point eliminates us from the PO in 5 years (if we ever get in the PO ever again that is)
     
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    We all thought he was just a scout. Apparently he's also a master of accounting and finance.
     
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    Anyone else just numb to this whole nonsense? Just when we thought it couldn't get any worse
     
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    A team with a 'real owner' would not have the cap space to take on a contract such as Callahan's due to the assumption that said team with a wealthier owner would spend more money to present a more competitive on-ice NHL roster.
     
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    That depends on how much it would cost them to Nancy Kerrigan Bobby Ryan to get him on LTIR and his salary paid by insurance.
     
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    Tnuoc Alucard There's more than 1 side to any story or issue.

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    The goal, for Ottawa, was to get rid of Condon, one of three goaltender they had on one-way contracts.

    Also was able to move up a round in the draft.

    Mission accomplished.
     
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    Don’t really care at this point, think I’m slowly but surely reaching the door
     
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    Toronto also wants to sign Marner. We just want to save money. So to recap: Toronto for a better pick and will use the money. Ottawa when making this deal got a worse pick and will not be using cash for anything.
     
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    I find HF to be getting really, really tedious.

    This post is exactly the point. Why pay 3 million dollars to a goalie you couldn't possibly have any less use for? So you get rid of him and get a player you don't have to pay nearly as much for.

    That's not cheap, that's smart.
     
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    Why was the goal to get rid of Condon?

    We could have easily buried him in the ECHL, or loaned him to another AHL team, if we needed to create space for younger goalies. His $2.4 million cap hit was negligible, considering how much cap room we have.

    We could then have still taken Callahan off the Lightning's hands, while extracting more value (probably a 3rd round pick), if we didn't require them to take any salary back.
     
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    In all likelihood, the Senators lowered the "sweetener" they got from the Lightning by including Condon.

    They almost certainly could have made a trade like: Ottawa 6th for Callahan + Tampa 3rd if they didn't require Tampa to take any salary back.

    So from a money perspective... sure, it's smart.

    From a "rebuilding" perspective... another missed opportunity.

    Is $3M dollars worth a 3rd round pick, and a chance at another Formenton or Batherson? Not to the Senators.
     
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    Or, given that they aren't spending any money this season, they could have bought Condon out or demoted him to the ECHL and received a draft pick for doing TB the favour of taking Callahan's cap hit. Actually spend a bit of cash to add an asset and maybe improve the on-ice product for the future. The kind of thing that any rebuilding team with $42M in payroll expenditures would have done.
     
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