What makes you think its not regular constraints here?
Every GM goes through ruff patches
I think PD is dealing with restraints far beyond what other GMs deal with.
Do folks not go on about EM being the worst owner in pro sports?
What makes you think its not regular constraints here?
Every GM goes through ruff patches
Why to any of your suggestions other than getting rid of him. Are we really trying to keep Condon in the organization?Why was the goal to get rid of Condon?
We could have easily buried him in the ECHL, or loaned him to another AHL team, if we needed to create space for younger goalies. His $2.4 million cap hit was negligible, considering how much cap room we have.
We could then have still taken Callahan off the Lightning's hands, while extracting more value (probably a 3rd round pick), if we didn't require them to take any salary back.
If Condon isn't in the plans, we have no obligation to play him anywhere. We could loan him to europe or just tell him to stay home.Bull****. It obviously clears up a goalie logjam we have.
Again, the logjam goes away if the team isn’t concerned about saving $1-2M or whatever the savings would have been.
Divisional rival? Who? Tampa? Are you kiddingAll while extending the window of contending for divisional rivals by helping them re-sign their stars, one year after refusing to trade Mike Hoffman within the division.
Maybe they are lying?I think PD is dealing with restraints far beyond what other GMs deal with.
Do folks not go on about EM being the worst owner in pro sports?
The only argument that could be made to not go for option B is IF there was another trade on the table like Callahan + 3rd/4th?* for a draft pick and then we asked them instead to take Condon.How so? Buyout? Why buy him out and receive nothing in return, when you can get someone else to take him instead?
Option A) Pay to get rid of Condon
Option B) Get someone else to pay Condon to get rid of him (as well as get a tiny draft pick improvement)
Why wouldn't you go option b???
One of the most disingenuous things I’ve seen this board do over the last two years, is to start taking GM speak literally for the purposes of accusing the GM of ‘liar liar pants on fire’.
Every single GM of every team through out time does the same things. Some of it is even joked about, like the coaches ‘kiss of death’.
This push for manufactured indignance at us poor fans being lied to by the meanie GM, is curious to say the least.
OK, lets not trade Mike Hoffman in our division because reasons, but lets help Tampa and Toronto by providing cap relief to sign their RFAs. And yes, during the FYOUS, Tampa is supposed to be a divisional rival.Divisional rival? Who? Tampa? Are you kidding
Tree fiddy. (Never been more applicable)lol how much of actual salary is this owner actually paying out of his pockets?
I think you need to dial it back for now, even Mouser isn’t positive that there isn’t any retroactive compensation, so those numbers are just guesses at the moment.
Having said that, I think most would agree that moving up for only a bit of cash is a fine move any way you slice it, in a vacuum.
We can’t be slammed for trading picks for cash and then also cash for picks at the same time.
Well you can't have it both ways.
When Pierre Dorion says that he really tried to sign Mark Stone, Erik Karlsson and Matt Duchene and made fair market offers, many on this board use that as irrefutable proof that the organization was not at fault for them leaving.
But then, when Pierre Dorion says he thinks this team is good enough to compete for the playoffs, those same people say that "you can't take everything literally."
And?Pierre Dorion has gone on record that his expectation for this team, next year, is to be in the playoff hunt.
If Condon isn't in the plans, we have no obligation to play him anywhere. We could loan him to europe or just tell him to stay home.
The Goalie logjam is a red herring, there is no problem in need of solving there to be spoken off. The problem in need of solving is his paycheck and his paycheck alone.
We chose not to buy him out for 2 mil (assuming he was eligible, there is a chance he was not medically cleared yet I suppose though he was practicing with Belleville at the end of the season).
So fans shouldn't believe when he says that Chabot is staying for this rebuild? That the core we have now are staying for the rebuild?One of the most disingenuous things I’ve seen this board do over the last two years, is to start taking GM speak literally for the purposes of accusing the GM of ‘liar liar pants on fire’.
Every single GM of every team through out time does the same things. Some of it is even joked about, like the coaches ‘kiss of death’.
This push for manufactured indignance at us poor fans being lied to by the meanie GM, is curious to say the least.
Sure , that could be another way to do it. But, in the grand scheme of things, another 3rd or 4th added to the pile is just more of the same...and you hope they all pan out, right? But, Condon is gone, which is great. I think the return is absolutey fine , and many are just using the trade as another reason to make it a big story.I think the point they are trying to make would be to just take on Callahan and a solid asset like a 2nd/3rd rounder for nothing going the other way, instead of including Condon and nerfing the return. Take Callahan and the 2nd rounder, LTIR the player, and waive Condon for his last remaining year.
How is a window going to open when we spend less than most MLS teams? Did Toronto try to save money when they were missing the playoffs most years like we are? No. Has any team done what we have done? Maybe Arizona. Maybe. And they've stopped doing that. We have better ticket prices, TV deals and fan support than Arizona.
It's one thing to be cautious with money... that's not happening here.
What? No. It's the opposite. It's the anti-Dorion crowd saying this.
Dorion said the goal was to compete for the playoffs (ie. not make the playoffs, but maybe finish somewhere 15-25), which is a perfectly reasonable goal to set. Yet everyone here is taking it as if he's saying we need to make the playoffs next year.
What about New Jersey, who’s having probably the best offseason in the league? Their revenues have generally been lower than ours over the years.The point is you can't compare the NHL franchise operated in the largest hockey market on the planet, with another NHL franchise in, if not the smallest, one of the smallest markets in the NHL .......at any point in their various stages.
Well you can't have it both ways.
When Pierre Dorion says that he really tried to sign Mark Stone, Erik Karlsson and Matt Duchene and made fair market offers, many on this board use that as irrefutable proof that the organization was not at fault for them leaving.
But then, when Pierre Dorion says he thinks this team is good enough to compete for the playoffs, those same people say that "you can't take everything literally."
How so? Buyout? Why buy him out and receive nothing in return, when you can get someone else to take him instead?
Option A) Pay to get rid of Condon
Option B) Get someone else to pay Condon to get rid of him (as well as get a tiny draft pick improvement)
Why wouldn't you go option b???
If you're in 25th you're not competing for the playoffs.
And my response was to the people saying that the organization's goal is to get as high a draft pick as possible next year, when the GM has gone on record saying that the "pain" of the rebuild is already over and he expects the team to compete as soon as next season, and then be a playoff team in 2021.
And?
Did you expect him to say otherwise? That is as basic a goal that there is. If you are trying to build a legal case or something then, yes, you have made a valid point. But this is professional sports and that is the norm. I am sorry you took it so literally
Which makes sense. The "pain" was losing Karlsson, Stone, Duchene, etc.
The organization's goal this season is to develop the players we have, for which we need to set a reasonable goal, like trying to compete for the playoffs. Developing and growing our current group of players is far far more important that a couple percentage chance at increasing a draft pick by a few spots.
Once again, Condon was on this roster because of the contract offered to him by Eugene Melnyk and Pierre Dorion.