Confirmed with Link: Sens acquire Callahan + pick for Condon + pick

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  1. L'Aveuglette

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    You can tell the Sens have no one left in marketing and public relations to come out and do damage control after what was the most depressing move this summer. Usually you'd think they'd make an effort to give the fans something positive to counteract these cost-cutting moves and boost season-ticket sales, especially when you get all these articles being published calling them out on these types of trades, but it seems like they've given up on that front. I can only imagine how empty the arena will be come October.
     
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    Didn't Dorion make some sort of statement that because this was the first time they knowingly traded for an LTIRetire contract, everything is on the up and up?
     
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    Yes he did.. " The cap space allowed us the ability and opportunity to accelerate our rebuild ... ahh.. **** it. Yeah we got nothing back. "
     
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    That Condon contract was a significant overpay, especially on term. What had he ever done to earn a three year deal? At least we learned from it, as the Nilsson deal is a lot smarter.

    In the meantime, in that same summer of 2017 we could have probably signed Mark Stone to a pretty team friendly long term extension, but somehow whiffed and didn't get it done...
     
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    Yeah, but that's just the GM discussing his own trade(and making things worse as usual). I was talking about actual PR and marketing to create more positive vibes. All they've done is sit on it and lose their head of marketing lol.
     
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    This deal is not a depressive move. Just "the world is crazy." On this branch.
    P.S. The 27th page for worthless trading ... This is definitely crazy.
     
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    Whats crazy is the a Sens have cut salary like nobodies business but have not filled any executive positions... that make a fraction of what players cost

     
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    There is no great need for this.
     
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    The positions should be filled with all the money they have saved

    It’s absolutely pathetic that they have that many vacancies
     
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    The money they saved should be used to sign players and scouts. There is a need right now. The rest is not very important.
     
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    Surprised the other 30 clubs don’t go to the no executive structure since they are “not important”

    Any other management group as bare bones as Ottawa in the NHL/NBA/MLB/NFL
     
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    Ottawa is doing a good job of rebuilding with the current front office. I do not see much need for change. Add someone, that's good. Not add, also not а bad.
     
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    I guess that’s why ticket sails are soaring... expect to see constant sellouts this year since the Sens are doing a good job rebuilding
     
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    A decline in ticket sales has always been a rebuilding. And it will always be so. Even in better markets than Ottawa. Except Toronto, of course.:)
     
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    I cant tell if this is serious or sarcastic.
     
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    Are you not comfortable with the pool of young Ottawa players?
     
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    Are you comfortable with trading picks for salary dumps when they should be retaining assets to continue the rebuild instead..... Its a pretty simple concept. If you cant grasp it we dont need to continue this conversation we simply arent on the same page.
     
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    What deals do you mean?
     
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    Here is a great post by Yak explaining why its not a real rebuild and how its a tear down. Below his post are two articles and a vlog all from major media sources explaining why its not a proper rebuild. It also alludes to why the sens need a real front office, player develolment, and skill development to do a successful rebuild.

    ESPN
    https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/27300549/the-wysh-list-senators-violating-spirit-cba

    YAHOO
    Senators continue cutting costs to shockingly low levels

    SPORTSNET Tim and Sid
     
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    Brassard, Zaitsev, Callahan, Stone, Karlsson, Dzingel, Duchene.

    Oh yeah finishing last and second last back to back years but only have two top 50 prospects no one in the top 10. On top of the horrid finishes they traded 2 franchise level players, and a first line center. Still dont have a top 10 prospect pool. Wanna look at a rebuild done properly look at NJ and the NYR.

    Trading cap space for salary dumps. Picks for salary dumps.

    But you think this has been a successful rebuild? You think Dorion doesnt need to be replaced or the bare minimum get some serious help.....

    If youre simply ok with this then your standards are very low.
     
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    There is nothing about rebuilding here. The post is water only. No facts, no arguments. Insults only. It can be seen that the person is just enjoying the spite. Taking such a text seriously is stupid.
    The links are also nothing about rebuilding, about cap space only. Except "Yes, there's a youth movement afoot; and to GM Pierre Dorion's credit, the team is absolutely stacked with draft picks for the foreseeable future."
     
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    Yet im supposed to take your post seriously after thats what you derived from these articles, vlogs and a post by an active poster who has been consistent in his message while providing well thought our arguments on this board for a decade.

    Either you didnt take the time to read the articles or you have a hard time extracting the information. Its explained in precise detail how the sens could/should be rebuilding but they are not.
     
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    Can you give at least some arguments for this post?
    Or can you show quotes from the links that talk about rebuilding, and not about working on cap space?
     
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    Then why does every other NHL team have those positions filled?

    As a reminder, by definition every other NHL team is more successful than Ottawa as Ottawa finished dead last in the league last year.

    Why do you believe they are not needed?

    You made the claim so you have to provide the evidence why its true.

    There is no way anyone should take the claim that all the major executive positions being unfilled is "no great need " seriously.
     
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    Cap space is an asset, in the ESPN article it specifically talks about it and how even Arizona used it to aquire asstets. As opposed to dumping salary instead. Tim Mcaliff explains the exact same thing in the vlog.

    My post below specifically outlines how the rebuild has been horribly done thus far.
     
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