Prospect Info: Semyon Der-Arguchintsev

[bobbygore]

I've watched him play(only twice this Season) and he was about as unimpressive as you could imagine.

Yes . There is definitely something negative going on here . SDA is not playing anywhere close to his potential and appears to be sulking .
Hard to know if this is a maturity issue or a toxic situation with the Petes coach but something is definitely wrong .
In defence of SDA the Petes looked like a tire fire in the last 2 games against London and Sarnia and the whole team is currently badly underachieving . Their star goalie Hunter Jones also looked awful tonight .
If this keeps up maybe SDA will look for a trade out of Peterborough.

 

[Duke16]

SDA and Gordeev need out

 

[Mr Hockey]

SDA and Gordeev need out

say what? new team?

 

[Guided by Veseys]

It’s not surprising that Dubas signed him, he was fantastic in training camp and definitely a fan favourite on this board. It would have been more surprising had Dubas not signed him.

 

[LeafChief]

Sad to hear he's under performing. Seemed like a solid kid in his interviews with a good head on his shoulders.

Pulling for him to figure it out.

 

[Stephen]

Doesn't look like his development has taken the next step and is in a dysfunctional environment?

 

[BM14]

SDA and Gordeev need out

I know this is a SDA thread but I'm really intrigued by Gordeev. Yes, he needs out of Flint.

 

[Duke16]

Not overly worried about him, we know he is good, but his team really isnt.

Kid is a major pass-first player who doesn't have much to work with. I hope the Petes sell him off for a ton of picks.

 

[BoredBrandonPridham]

Not overly worried about him, we know he is good, but his team really isnt.

Kid is a major pass-first player who doesn't have much to work with. I hope the Petes sell him off for a ton of picks.

I haven’t seen him play but some of his stats would suggest he is part of the problem, not a diamond in the rough. I think that’s what most are concerned about, happy for any who have seen him play chime in with a hopeful analysis.

Plot twist: SDA is forcing a trade to the Soo as per secret prerogative from Dubas and he explodes offensively

 

[Joey Hoser]

I haven’t seen him play but some of his stats would suggest he is part of the problem, not a diamond in the rough. I think that’s what most are concerned about, happy for any who have seen him play chime in with a hopeful analysis.

Plot twist: SDA is forcing a trade to the Soo as per secret prerogative from Dubas and he explodes offensively

Did you see him in preseason? He clearly has the ability to be much better than this at the junior level.

 

[lifelonghockeyfan]

Gordeev and SDA have the misfortune of playing on bad teams. It happens all the time in junior. Doesn't really diminish their potential.
Look at Ian Scott, goalie for Prince Albert, he played on a bad team for few years, and now he's suddenly great and on a winner with the Prince Albert.

 

[BoredBrandonPridham]

Did you see him in preseason? He clearly has the ability to be much better than this at the junior level.

I did, and I never said he doesn’t.

 

[Mess]

Doesn't look like his development has taken the next step and is in a dysfunctional environment?

His team worst -17 +/- has made him a huge liability 5v5 and the coach doesn't trust him defensively and its affecting his play and performance.

 

[TimeZone]

It’s not surprising that Dubas signed him, he was fantastic in training camp and definitely a fan favourite on this board. It would have been more surprising had Dubas not signed him.

Definitely should've waited to see how he performed this Season before he was signed imo. A 2-3 week camp is far too small of a sample size.

 

[Myopic]

Not every skilled little player is going to be like Johnny G. Those drafted in the third round and beyond have a 12% chance of playing in the NHL more than 100 games.

The draft is obviously a crap shoot. blah blah,cliche,blah,blah, cliche

 

[Guided by Veseys]

Definitely should've waited to see how he performed this Season before he was signed imo. A 2-3 week camp is far too small of a sample size.

It wasn’t an abnormal thing though.
His play in camp against professionals warranted it. Young guys out of junior that haven’t shown as much get those contracts. I just see this situation could be used in a faulty manner to demean Dubas and that would be silly.

 

[BertCorbeau]

Definitely should've waited to see how he performed this Season before he was signed imo. A 2-3 week camp is far too small of a sample size.

Probably shouldn't judge him on a 20 game sample size either though... It's a disappointing start without a doubt but let's wait to see if he's able to adjust and overcome whatever the issues is.

Worth reminding he was the youngest player in the draft - there's a lot of growth with this one to do.

 

[ponder]

Most 3rd round picks never become NHL regulars, and he’s having a really poor start to his draft+1 season. Chances are he never becomes an NHL regular.

 

[TimeZone]

It wasn’t an abnormal thing though.
His play in camp against professionals warranted it. Young guys out of junior that haven’t shown as much get those contracts. I just see this situation could be used in a faulty manner to demean Dubas and that would be silly.

I disagree. Way too small of a sample size.

 

[TimeZone]

Probably shouldn't judge him on a 20 game sample size either though... It's a disappointing start without a doubt but let's wait to see if he's able to adjust and overcome whatever the issues is.

Worth reminding he was the youngest player in the draft - there's a lot of growth with this one to do.

I'd agree with you I we're just stat watching. But I've watched him play a couple of times this season and he genuinely didn't generate any offense in the games I've watched. He's soft, and not a particularly great skater for somebody who looks to only be about 5'10.

He definitely doesn't look like a third round pick out there, to say the least.

 

[BertCorbeau]

I'd agree with you I we're just stat watching. But I've watched him play a couple of times this season and he genuinely didn't generate any offense in the games I've watched. He's soft, and not a particularly great skater for somebody who looks to only be about 5'10.

He definitely doesn't look like a third round pick out there, to say the least.

Well it seems like your observations match the stat line, but using a 2 game real-time observation is again the same issue you state about training camp - small sample size .... It's not a fair process to state that this period of time is superior to the other period of time when, in fact, both as small sample sizes.

That's all I'm really saying. Need to give a young kid more time to adjust and observe. If we get into January/February without much improvement then I'll be more concerned.

 

[TimeZone]

Well it seems like your observations match the stat line, but using a 2 game real-time observation is again the same issue you state about training camp - small sample size .... It's not a fair process to state that this period of time is superior to the other period of time when, in fact, both as small sample sizes.

That's all I'm really saying. Need to give a young kid more time to adjust and observe. If we get into January/February without much improvement then I'll be more concerned.

But like you said, my observations in those 2 games match his production this Season. He's essentially over 1/3rd through his D+1 Season and he has one goal on the year. The sample size isn't as small as you seem to think it is.

 

[Mr Hockey]

The only thing I don't get is why Dubas signed him to ELC, we have his rights for a couple more years, why the rush?

 

[stickty111]

SDA will be fine. The sample size is very small.
Its when there was a poster who said Marner doesnt go top 10 in a redraft, or Carlo is better then him based on 20 games.

 

[Menzinger]

The only thing I don't get is why Dubas signed him to ELC, we have his rights for a couple more years, why the rush?

Mentioned this earlier but they could be concerned he may want to bolt back to the KHL where he could start making money earlier in his career. An early ELC keeps him in North America with the Leafs having more influence on his development