hisgirlfriday
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Seidenberg boarding of Toews; DoPS review but no hearing; Toews status ???
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I know it wasn't. But it's irrelevant if it was square to the back in this case. It can still be boarding if it's the back of the shoulder or whatever you want to call it. In fact that was a clear two minutes for boarding. The question is if it is worthy of anything further.
Under shanahan it def was, but I don't think it is suspendable any more. Didn't something similar happen to Shattenkirk a few weeks ago with nothing.
zac
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The type? Yes. A player elevating his hands to initiate contact to the numbers on a defenseless player near the boards? Yes. Will this hit ever be poster board material for the NHL's campaign on such change? Not a chance.
I agree that certain types of this contact happen routinely, to a degree. Toews would have been much safer if he were RIGH ALONG the boards as his body wouldn't have had the chance to fall forward, driving his head into the boards. Again, Toews was clearly looking to play a puck at his feet (he had to look to identify it's position, it's not like he was looking down for several seconds), his back was exposed, and Seidenberg delivered the hit. It was a case of the defender having poor recognition of the play at hand.
Players shouldn't be getting checked in the back period (though it happens all the time, especially near the net). But when a player is within striking distance of the boards, in an awkward position, the defender needs to have the onus. Seidenberg didn't and I hope he gets suspended.
The NFL has the same issue with idiots tackling with the crown of the helmets. If they would have trained them long ago with harsher penalties and suspensions it wouldn't be near the problem that it is today.
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You have to lower yourself to that?
Actually, I was saying the result was unintentional (Toews injured awkwardly)... the play was obviously pretty darn intentional as Seidenberg would be a fool to allow Toews to get the puck so easily with no resistance. It was a common play by Seidenberg, Toews either didn't expect it or wasn't strong enough to keep his balance. Penalty warranted for the result, and anything more is just silly. I doubt there will be anything coming of this and we will get the usual "the NHL loves the Bruins" comments as usual.
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It was a boarding/check to the back. There are several other ways to make a play without initiating that kind of contact.
Just to show that I'm fair, Seabrook is one of the worst offenders in the league when it comes to crosschecks to the back near the net. A penalty, which by the way, doesn't get called nearly enough.
I like hitting. Everyone does. But you know what? I'd rather watch a game with the Toews, Bergeron's, and Crosby's of the world instead of them being out with concussions all the time.
Hockey is a high contact sport. It always will be. But that hit was dangerous, unnecessary, and added NOTHING to the game. If the league doesn't keep training it's players, and showing that there are consequences, it's only going to get worse. The speed, strength, and size of the players is necessitating these rules.
You have to lower yourself to that?
Actually, I was saying the result was unintentional (Toews injured awkwardly)... the play was obviously pretty darn intentional as Seidenberg would be a fool to allow Toews to get the puck so easily with no resistance. It was a common play by Seidenberg, Toews either didn't expect it or wasn't strong enough to keep his balance. Penalty warranted for the result, and anything more is just silly. I doubt there will be anything coming of this and we will get the usual "the NHL loves the Bruins" comments as usual.
Do you think the option that Seids took was the ONLY option for the play what was taking place? No. It was the one he chose to make. It was a poor, unintentional, wreckless decision. And those often times end up with a game or two off. Because they are trying to get players to not make such wreckless decisions/plays. He doesn't have a history may be his saving grace. But his comment after the game was very unapologetic and douchey. He should have been a bit more realistic and humble.
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In my opinion, there's a lot wrong that happened here, but very little of it had to do with the hit.
1) Hit seems fairly clean to me. I wouldn't wish what happened to Toews on anyone, but it's hockey. There is always the potential for nasty stuff to happen. Seidenberg did what he could. The boarding penalty is right. The supplementary discipline should be nil. It's not malicious. Seidenberg has no pattern of this kind of stuff, and probably doesn't intend to start such a pattern.
2) Both coaches were terrible. Clode, shut up. This isn't the time for "keep your head up". What's next, telling cancer patients that they shouldn't have smoked so much? And as for Quenneville - I don't care if it's an early regular season game, or the 7th game of the Stanley Cup Finals. You don't ever put a player in when he takes a hit like that. Ever. You give him the 15 minute test in the "quiet room". This isn't a finger sprain that you can Taylor Swift your way through. This is head and neck stuff. Athletes are literally KILLING themselves because of this. Remember Dave Duerson? Junior Seau? Both got severe depression from post-concussion syndrome. Both shot themselves in the CHEST. Not because it was less painful than the head - they wanted to preserve their brains for study of PCS.
3) Boston fans. Yes, I'll admit that "we" screwed the pooch on this one. I was there at the game, and I did think they were booing Toews. Maybe most were booing the penalty call - which was the right call, so that's lame too. And maybe I'm misconstruing it, but it did feel like it was a boo at Toews - especially since it started before the ref came to center ice. Perhaps they were booing out of frustration (2 points in 10 does that to you), but that's no excuse. And no, I didn't boo. (At least, not that time.)
Anytime someone's hurt on the ice like that, DON'T BOO. It sucks. There's nothing wrong with taking a half second to say to yourself, "How do I think other reasonable people are going to interpret my reaction?" I don't care if it's Matt Cooke. DON'T BOO. That's not what a hockey fan should be. Even players give stick taps to opponents who are carted off the ice after a big hit. Yes, Toews didn't need to be carted off the ice, but cheering for injuries is horrid.
1) Hit seems fairly clean to me. I wouldn't wish what happened to Toews on anyone, but it's hockey. There is always the potential for nasty stuff to happen. Seidenberg did what he could. The boarding penalty is right. The supplementary discipline should be nil. It's not malicious. Seidenberg has no pattern of this kind of stuff, and probably doesn't intend to start such a pattern.
2) Both coaches were terrible. Clode, shut up. This isn't the time for "keep your head up". What's next, telling cancer patients that they shouldn't have smoked so much? And as for Quenneville - I don't care if it's an early regular season game, or the 7th game of the Stanley Cup Finals. You don't ever put a player in when he takes a hit like that. Ever. You give him the 15 minute test in the "quiet room". This isn't a finger sprain that you can Taylor Swift your way through. This is head and neck stuff. Athletes are literally KILLING themselves because of this. Remember Dave Duerson? Junior Seau? Both got severe depression from post-concussion syndrome. Both shot themselves in the CHEST. Not because it was less painful than the head - they wanted to preserve their brains for study of PCS.
3) Boston fans. Yes, I'll admit that "we" screwed the pooch on this one. I was there at the game, and I did think they were booing Toews. Maybe most were booing the penalty call - which was the right call, so that's lame too. And maybe I'm misconstruing it, but it did feel like it was a boo at Toews - especially since it started before the ref came to center ice. Perhaps they were booing out of frustration (2 points in 10 does that to you), but that's no excuse. And no, I didn't boo. (At least, not that time.)
Anytime someone's hurt on the ice like that, DON'T BOO. It sucks. There's nothing wrong with taking a half second to say to yourself, "How do I think other reasonable people are going to interpret my reaction?" I don't care if it's Matt Cooke. DON'T BOO. That's not what a hockey fan should be. Even players give stick taps to opponents who are carted off the ice after a big hit. Yes, Toews didn't need to be carted off the ice, but cheering for injuries is horrid.
Hank Plank
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Actually, yea you do say that. Unless they are terminal you tell them to knock that **** off.
I hate the bruins but don't think that was a malicious play by seidenberg. He was trying to beat him to the puck and was facing toews side as he was about to hit him, then toews turned towards the boards.
hopefully toews is ok, the impact on his head looked bad
hopefully toews is ok, the impact on his head looked bad
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The play was a shove more than a hit and I dont think their was anything malicious about it. It was boarding and a penalty. Deservedly so.
However, Seidenberg squaking that it served Toews right for not keeping his head up is the dumbest thing he could have said. The league could suspend him now simply for being an idiot .
However, Seidenberg squaking that it served Toews right for not keeping his head up is the dumbest thing he could have said. The league could suspend him now simply for being an idiot .
Actually for textbook boards they have these things called two minute minors.
2013 SCF. Toews got his bell rung and instead of sending him to the quiet room he sat on the bench and didn't play again. After they won the Cup it was disclosed that he suffered a mild concussion.
It was irresponsible of the coaches and medical staff allow him to play again after the hit. IMO, this is what needs to be discussed rather than the quotes postgame and whether or not the bruins are dirty.
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Julien's comment about "educating our players" was not about Toews being back on the ice after the hit.
Julien was saying Toews reacted to the hit incorrectly in real time and caused his own injury on the ice.
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Never mind. Figured out the chain of responding posts being about the concussion protocol. Got it.
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Yeah that's me. And thanks. I just had lost track of the "What?" part of the discussion from 4 pages ago when you quoted the post in its entirety. Got it now.
The NHL Department of Player Safety reviewed a second period play from Thursday night’s 3-2 B’s loss to the Chicago Blackhawks at TD Garden where the German defenseman hit Chicago captain Jonathan Toews a few feet removed from the boards, and sent the Blackhawks pivot crashing head-first into the boards.
No final determination had been made as of Thursday night, but several league sources indicated to CSNNE.com that it didn’t appear supplemental discipline would be necessary in Seidenberg’s case.
That would be music to the ears of Seidenberg, who said he was trying to aim his body contact toward Toews’ right shoulder, and has a long history of being a clean, honest player that he’s like to keep intact through his hard-nosed career.
“I pride myself on being a clean player and a hard player to play against, so when I went in on that one on one battle there, I thought I saw his right shoulder,†said Seidenberg. “At the last second he might have turned…I don’t know. I didn’t really see the replay or anything. Obviously I never want to see a guy go into the boards like that.
“I would never want to hurt a guy. That’s the last thing on my mind. I like playing hard and winning my board batles, and that’s about it.â€
No final determination had been made as of Thursday night, but several league sources indicated to CSNNE.com that it didn’t appear supplemental discipline would be necessary in Seidenberg’s case.
That would be music to the ears of Seidenberg, who said he was trying to aim his body contact toward Toews’ right shoulder, and has a long history of being a clean, honest player that he’s like to keep intact through his hard-nosed career.
“I pride myself on being a clean player and a hard player to play against, so when I went in on that one on one battle there, I thought I saw his right shoulder,†said Seidenberg. “At the last second he might have turned…I don’t know. I didn’t really see the replay or anything. Obviously I never want to see a guy go into the boards like that.
“I would never want to hurt a guy. That’s the last thing on my mind. I like playing hard and winning my board batles, and that’s about it.â€
