Seguin Vs Matthews

[Kcb12345]

no, but that's a coaching choice more than an indication of ability. Talk about misleading

There's a reason Seguin a lot of the time is our lone forward on a 5 on 3 penalty kill. Coaching choice is because he has confidence in Seguin and knows he is good enough defensively to be relied on in the final minutes of a game, a full 2 minute 5 on 3, or any penalty kill for that matter. He has saved a countless number of sure goals for us this year, and that's not an exaggeration. You think Hitchcock, a heavily defensively minded coach, would put someone out there who isn't good defensively? Lol there's a reason Spezza doesn't kill penalties for us. Does Babcock put players who aren't good defensively out there on the PK? Or does he not base it off of ability?

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

There's a reason Seguin a lot of the time is our lone forward on a 5 on 3 penalty kill. Coaching choice is because he has confidence in Seguin and knows he is good enough defensively to be relied on in the final minutes of a game, a full 2 minute 5 on 3, or any penalty kill for that matter. He has saved a countless number of sure goals for us this year, and that's not an exaggeration. You think Hitchcock, a heavily defensively minded coach, would put someone out there who isn't good defensively? Lol there's a reason Spezza doesn't kill penalties for us

there's also a reason Babcock wants Hyman and Brown out there to block shots rather than our best offensive player. Babcock trusts Matthews to hold a lead in the dying minutes of a game, he just doesn't really want him to throw his body in shooting lanes on the PK. Matthews is 2nd in the league in defensive zone faceoff % and has pretty good results defensively

 

[SHANNYPLAN]

No but if he spent more time right in front of the net like Matthews deflecting pucks or tapping them into a basically empty net I'm sure he would. He's more of a shooter from distance. Benn/Radulov deal with the loose pucks down low. Come back when Matthews kills penalties. Until then his 2-way game isn't on the same level

If im not mistaken, Seguin started killing penalties this year at age 26, Matthews is 20, and Babcock has a different approach to the PK than most

 

[Filthy Dangles]

TS91

 

[Cleatus]

Voted Matthews, but Seguin could potentially change my opinion if he can start producing in the playoffs (seems to be a choke artist in that regard).

 

[Unspecified]

Okay maybe. I don't watch Dallas games. I also honestly could care less about two way play. He's a center, and an offensive oriented one, and I find his offensive output very underwhelming (especially this season with so many forwards scoring so much, I would have expected him to be one of those).

I pick Matthews based on that

I'm sorry but huh? He has a PPG avg of .98 over the last 5 years even with his off season last year where he still scored 26 goals and had 72 points in 82 games. How is that even remotely "Underwhelming"?

 

[LeafsNation75]

I'm going to say Leafs fans would go with Matthews and Stars fans would go with Seguin.

So I guess if your not a fan of either team who do you choose?

 

[Laineux]

Matthews is better already in my mind.

 

[Mickey Marner]

I'm sure that statistic isn't at all affected by the fact Seguin's team went all the way to the SCF while he was a rookie playing 4th line minutes.

3 goals, 7 pts in 13 playoffs as rookie.
4 goals, 14 pts in 36 games since.

Matthews was also a rookie.

 

[Midnight Judges]

3 seasons makes it close for Seguin. If Matthews is anywhere near the beast he was last season in the playoffs especially if the Leafs end up beating someone like the Bruins and Matthews edges out Bergeron then you could realistically make a case for him

Uh, he was quite good but 5 points/4 goals in 6 games absolutely does not qualify as "beast."

 

[nobody]

Stats can be misleading. Does Matthews kill penalties?

Leafs have a top 3 PK last I checked. I don't think they need Matthews to kill penalties. The role players are doing just fine.

 

[EdJovanovski]

3 goals, 7 pts in 13 playoffs as rookie.
4 goals, 14 pts in 36 games since.

Matthews was also a rookie.

Matthews wasn't buried on the 4th line of a Stanley Cup Championship team

 

[LeafsNation75]

3 goals, 7 pts in 13 playoffs as rookie.
4 goals, 14 pts in 36 games since.

Matthews was also a rookie.

Matthews has also scored more goals in his rookie season (40) than Seguin's career high of 37 goals in 2014 and 2015.

 

[bobholly39]

They literally have the same PPG with Seguin having larger sample-size. If you couldn't care less (still amazes me how often native speakers get the phrase wrong) about two way play, what's the rationale of picking Matthews first?

Just that Matthews is younger and still getting better. I feel as though Seguin has/is peaking, and i'm disappointed because i thought his peak would be a bit better

 

[La Masse]

Uh, he was quite good but 5 points/4 goals in 6 games absolutely does not qualify as "beast."

For a rookie that is more then impressive. Seguin was on the Bruins 4th line when playing in his rookie season

 

[LeafsNation75]

Matthews wasn't buried on the 4th line of a Stanley Cup Championship team

Yet I remember Bruins fans saying how much of a role he played for them in 2011. Although maybe that was them trying to make Leafs fans even worse about the Phil Kessel trade.

 

[sparxx87]

For a rookie that is more then impressive. Seguin was on the Bruins 4th line when playing in his rookie season

3rd line wing, actually.

 

[La Masse]

3rd line wing, actually.

My point still stands thanks

 

[pcruz]

Stats can be misleading. Does Matthews kill penalties?

Auston also barely plays on the power play.....

 

[Tom Brady]

Matthews for sure. not only he's better offensively but miles better defensively.

 

[Mad Dog Tannen]

Good poll, tough decision, but voted seguin, AINEC.

 

[nobody]

Good poll, tough decision, but voted seguin, AINEC.

How can someone have a tough decision and then say AINEC?

 

[Johno]

Leafs have a top 3 PK last I checked. I don't think they need Matthews to kill penalties. The role players are doing just fine.

Well the Stars have a top 5 PK and Seguin is a big part of that success. Btw Leafs are #9.

 

[LeafGrief]

Well the Stars have a top 5 PK and Seguin is a big part of that success. Btw Leafs are #9.

Ron Hainsey plays the most PK minutes in the league. If PK time is indicative of defensive ability, then we'd love to ship Hainsey out for that Klingberg bum. After all, he plays the least PK minutes out of any of the regular Dallas defensemen. Don't worry, we'll add a 2nd or something.

OR, or, PK means not a whole lot and coaches would sometimes like to save their best players for other stuff that's not throwing their bodies in front of slapshots. Leafs and Stars both have 4 SHG this year, so the offensive capabilities difference between Seguin and Hyman isn't making much of a difference. It's a coaching choice that is easily explained. Good for Seguin, but that's it.

 

[TheNumber4]

Seguin is the better hockey player, so choice is pretty easy without Leaf goggles on.