Seattle Arena discussion, vol. XII

[tony d]

Yeah, still think the NHL is going to have a 32nd team sooner rather than later. If not Seattle then some other western team.

 

[superdeluxe]

Nothing like the wheels of city politics grinding along.

This would actually be considered fast tracking..if you look at other large projects in the city.

 

[superdeluxe]

Which is why I asked about the mayor and his resignation.

What power will the intern mayor have over the aldermen or councilmen for the vote?

My understanding is, the MOU is in the hands of the Council, if the Council wants to push it forward quickly, they can.

 

[LosVikingsDeChicago]

You have a communist as a city council member and an extremely leftist city/county government. Do you really think that sports is a high priority for the city of Seattle or King County? Sports is not the realm of the proletariat. Also, the very nature of sports where you have winners and losers goes completely against the psyche of the snowflakes of the area.

 

[superdeluxe]

You have a communist as a city council member and an extremely leftist city/county government. Do you really think that sports is a high priority for the city of Seattle or King County? Sports is not the realm of the proletariat. Also, the very nature of sports where you have winners and losers goes completely against the psyche of the snowflakes of the area.

Sports is not a priority. But a nearly free, almost private building that solves the city's problem with Key Arena is something even the socialist council can get behind.

They also were able to get 20 million in funds for youth groups/homelessness and 40 million in transportation investment. Also this will bring many jobs (union jobs as well) to the area. the 'leftist' council can get behind more good paying union jobs.

Trust me, they are not doing this for the sports fan.

 

[LosVikingsDeChicago]

I was initially extremely excited about the possibility of having an arena in SoDo; however, after seeing how screwed up the politics of the region are in regards to many things, I am actively cheering for Seattle's failure. When Ballmer high tailed it to LA and bought the Clippers for 2 billion, that cemented the possibility of never receiving one public penny for a sports facility.

 

[superdeluxe]

I was initially extremely excited about the possibility of having an arena in SoDo; however, after seeing how screwed up the politics of the region are in regards to many things, I am actively cheering for Seattle's failure. When Ballmer high tailed it to LA and bought the Clippers for 2 billion, that cemented the possibility of never receiving one public penny for a sports facility.

Well that is awesome!

 

[viper0220]

Yeah, still think the NHL is going to have a 32nd team sooner rather than later. If not Seattle then some other western team.

The NHL will have a 32nd team and it will be Seattle, the NHL will do everything it can, it may be a year later, than the NHL may like but Seattle will be coming to the NHL and the NHL will be going to Seattle.

 

[snovalleyhockeyfan]

Harrell is announcing as I write this that he has chosen to not remain as the interim mayor, and that will mean one of the other councilmembers will take over to fill out Murray's term to November. It's likely either Burgess or Gonzalez will now get the job for the next two months. No impact on the arena aside from perhaps additional delays, such as perhaps the Monday arena committee meeting being impacted.

 

[GuelphStormer]

The NHL will have a 32nd team and it will be Seattle, the NHL will do everything it can, it may be a year later, than the NHL may like but Seattle will be coming to the NHL and the NHL will be going to Seattle.

if the NHL was really intent on doing everything it can, it would open its own pockets to pay to build an arena and not continue to play this old pathetic game of threats, extortion, lies and arrogance. more and more municipalities are laughing at him and his merry band of welfare billionaires.

 

[snovalleyhockeyfan]

if the NHL was really intent on doing everything it can, it would open its own pockets to pay to build an arena and not continue to play this old pathetic game of threats, extortion, lies and arrogance. more and more municipalities are laughing at him and his merry band of welfare billionaires.

Don't give the Council any ideas, Guelph.....



This might be what you look for on Monday. Daniels in another tweet added that if Burgess is elected interim mayor by the council, then the winner of the race to fill his seat in November would also be sworn in early. The candidates there are Jon Grant and Teresa Mosqueda.

 

[superdeluxe]

I think Sodo is dead.

: https://www.sonicsrising.com/2017/9...nt=entry&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

Council member Tim Burgess, the odds-on favorite to be selected interim Seattle mayor by his fellow councilmembers next week, succinctly dismissed council consideration of the SoDo arena project at this time.

 

[Killion]

I think Sodo is dead.

... sure looks that way (and if I'm Hansen I'm sweating bullets over all that land Ive purchased, money sunk into this adventure) BUT, hey, Seattle, one never knows. Burgess "interim"... and I love that bit about how the Transpo Committee lacks the resources at this time to deal with the Street Vacation "because the funds have been allocated to working out an MOU with OVG for Key & we dont have the budget for it anymore".... My God. Government. How they actually get anything done at all I have no idea.

 

[brewski420]

... sure looks that way (and if I'm Hansen I'm sweating bullets over all that land Ive purchased, money sunk into this adventure) BUT, hey, Seattle, one never knows. Burgess "interim"... and I love that bit about how the Transpo Committee lacks the resources at this time to deal with the Street Vacation "because the funds have been allocated to working out an MOU with OVG for Key & we dont have the budget for it anymore".... My God. Government. How they actually get anything done at all I have no idea.

Does anyone think that they would actually, after OVG's MOU is approved, actually grant the street vacation to Hansen thus opening the way for two arenas. Of course provided Hansen gets an NBA team sometime down the road.

I don't for a minute actually believe it could happen but then I get this nagging feeling, especially as it pertains to Seattle. That would be such an unsurprising result in an absolutely idiotic way!!

 

[IslesFan2017]

That would suck for LA and Anaheim (and Vegas) to lose a division rival that is a 4-5 hour drive.

If Seattle gets the 32nd team, that would create a logjam of teams in the Pacific division. The easternmost teams that are in the Pacific, the Oilers and Flames probably don't want to break up their rivalry with one of the teams moving to the Central, and the it wouldn't be ideal for Arizona to leave since the Golden Knight, Kings, and Ducks would lose a close division rival.

That's why I am hoping that Houston somehow gets the 32nd team, so that they could slide right into the Central division, with an instant rivalry with the Dallas Stars.

 

[VanIslander]

If Seattle gets the 32nd team, that would create a logjam of teams in the Pacific division. The easternmost teams that are in the Pacific, the Oilers and Flames probably don't want to break up their rivalry with one of the teams moving to the Central, and the it wouldn't be ideal for Arizona to leave since the Golden Knight, Kings, and Ducks would lose a close division rival.

That's why I am hoping that Houston somehow gets the 32nd team, so that they could slide right into the Central division, with an instant rivalry with the Dallas Stars.

Divisional alignment is a non-starter.

Bettman has said before it doesn't play a part in where expansion teams are put. And as for the Pacific: Put Arizona in the Central with their neighbor Colorado (Heck, Arizona is closer to Dallas than Seattle!).

 

[TheLegend]

Divisional alignment is a non-starter.

Bettman has said before it doesn't play a part in where expansion teams are put. And as for the Pacific: Put Arizona in the Central with their neighbor Colorado (Heck, Arizona is closer to Dallas than Seattle!).

It's even closer to LA, Anaheim, San Jose and Las Vegas. Plus it runs under Pacific Time during the season.

 

[BattleBorn]

It's even closer to LA, Anaheim, San Jose and Las Vegas. Plus it runs under Pacific Time during the season.

I think it's the opposite.

Arizona is on Mountain Standard Time all year, so they're an hour ahead of Pacific for most of the season once Pacific falls back from daylight to standard time for winter.

However, if Nevada can get congressional approval to move to permanent Pacific Daylight Time like we want to, we'll always be the same.

 

[gstommylee]

Does anyone think that they would actually, after OVG's MOU is approved, actually grant the street vacation to Hansen thus opening the way for two arenas. Of course provided Hansen gets an NBA team sometime down the road.

I don't for a minute actually believe it could happen but then I get this nagging feeling, especially as it pertains to Seattle. That would be such an unsurprising result in an absolutely idiotic way!!

No. Unlikely for that to happen. Its either one or the other. And SCC gave hansen a good 4 years to get it done he didn't now the SCC is moving on. Unless the next mayor (post election) decides to move the sdot street vacation recommendation forward.

 

[TheLegend]

I think it's the opposite.

Arizona is on Mountain Standard Time all year, so they're an hour ahead of Pacific for most of the season once Pacific falls back from daylight to standard time for winter.

However, if Nevada can get congressional approval to move to permanent Pacific Daylight Time like we want to, we'll always be the same.

Crap... you're right. I got it backwards. Funny though Nevadans wanting to lock themselves into the same time year round. There's been talk in the past of Arizona unlocking itself.

 

[brewski420]

No. Unlikely for that to happen. Its either one or the other. And SCC gave hansen a good 4 years to get it done he didn't now the SCC is moving on. Unless the next mayor (post election) decides to move the sdot street vacation recommendation forward.

The only reason I even bring it up is the NBA angle. They may feel almost locked out of Key as a revenue producer. I know your right but it sure would be a "fitting" result for all that has gone on.

I was tweaked by the not enough money to review street vacation issue while OVG process ongoing. Oh well I guess the air quality from fires is getting to me.

 

[BattleBorn]

Crap... you're right. I got it backwards. Funny though Nevadans wanting to lock themselves into the same time year round. There's been talk in the past of Arizona unlocking itself.

The sun comes up/goes down earlier here than most places since we're right on the Mountain/Pacific time zone line. Goes down as early at 4:20 in the afternoon during the winter.

It's no fun.

 

[gstommylee]

The only reason I even bring it up is the NBA angle. They may feel almost locked out of Key as a revenue producer. I know your right but it sure would be a "fitting" result for all that has gone on.

I was tweaked by the not enough money to review street vacation issue while OVG process ongoing. Oh well I guess the air quality from fires is getting to me.

I don't think key arena remodel is going to be that big of an issue as some local fans think it is. NBA can stop the project from even happening and demand sodo arena if they choose to.

 

[brewski420]

I don't think key arena remodel is going to be that big of an issue as some local fans think it is. NBA can stop the project from even happening and demand sodo arena if they choose to.

They cannot stop it imo (that is how I read it), just not approve it for their purposes. If OVG and the city want to build without their approval they will. NBA or NHL will not stop it. It would be in OVG's best interest to have one approval and better for both. All my opinion. Does not make sense any other way.

 

[Boreal]

While I suppose expansion and relocation are different, $650 is an incredible difference than what True North paid for the Thrashers. Wowzers.

In a perfect world (for me), Seattle jumps in (for an obscene amount of money, perhaps enough to make oligarchs blush), and Denver gets nudged into the Pacific, with Edmonton and Calgary coming to party with Winnipeg in the Central. It's not going to happen, but I like dreaming.