GDT: SCSF Game 5: Montreal Canadiens Vs Vegas Golden Knights | 6:00PM PT | Win Please...

[willy702]

Spott should be fired into the sun, but Deboer doesn't get this team to the final 4 twice if he's as terrible a coach as you think he is. His system clearly works until the players stop executing.

The only way I'd want Deboer gone is if he's unwilling to let Spott go.

His system beats some teams and looks good for a few games and then poof there goes the offense. The Avs win was good, but don't think the coaching had much to do with it. Otherwise I see beating up two crap teams last year, and struggling to do it, then a struggle against a decent team and then this. And oh yeah they go get him elite players to do this.

 

[azvgk]

Oh I want nothing to do with Eichel, but I'm betting Foley does.

Everything has plusses and minuses. I appreciate Foley's desire to win and to spend to the cap but I don't like his impatience and his penchant for the quick fix.

My take is that we're still an expansion team, only 4 years old, and we've been at minimum to 2 semifinals, one final and one one and done (which wouldn't have happened if not for the San Jose). Not too shabby. As a result, we never have a chance at the McDavid's of the world, but we have an excellent team, and are developing some good young players, and an organization that wants to win and seems to know what it's doing. Plus, as I said, almost no chance we miss the playoffs next year. So I think we just need to not panic, continue to develop our youngsters, and maybe make some tweaks to try to put us over the top. I'm not on board with blowing it up to get the next Eichel/savior. McDavid plus Drysaitle haven't bought them more than one playoff round in a weaker division.

 

[Pia8988]

His system beats some teams and looks good for a few games and then poof there goes the offense. The Avs win was good, but don't think the coaching had much to do with it. Otherwise I see beating up two crap teams last year, and struggling to do it, then a struggle against a decent team and then this. And oh yeah they go get him elite players to do this.

Guy just never adjusts. Teams give him the point shots because of how inneffective they are. I don't see how a coach can watch his team stay to the outside and think it's fine. Watch this PP. I don't care if Spotts is the PP coach. DeBoer is the head coach. Step in and try to fix it. I've never liked the DeBoer hire despite his regular season success.

 

[aresknights]

If Calgary moves him, they'd want Tuch as a starting point. I'd probably make that deal.

Tuch plus plus plus

 

[Pirate Deadpool]

Tuch needs a high and wide jar. 1k in the jar every time he misses the net.

I would settle for Tuch elevating the puck on every half open net. Tuch would be a mid 30s maybe crack the 40s in goals every season if he could just elevate the damn effin puck instead of shooting low and straight ahead as the goalie desperately makes another miracle save

 

[Pia8988]

Habs adjusted. You never see a Vegas F behind their D. Puck side pressure in the NZ. Vegas fumbling the puck all the time helps, but we're Colorado right now and Vegas keeps doing the same things hoping for better results. Dallas repeated.

 

[mrjiggyfly]

That's not true. Smith was great last year. The problem is no matter where's he's been he always has a great year followed by a supbar year. It's kind of weird really, but you just can't commit long term to that kind of inconsistency.

I should have said...In my opinion, not stated it like a fact. Smith had great numbers last year. But I just believe the puck dies on his stick so much more than it used to. It's like he used to have good instincts on what to do with the puck. Now, his game looks like a big pile of shit

 

[The Duck Knight]

Habs adjusted. You never see a Vegas F behind their D. Puck side pressure in the NZ. Vegas fumbling the puck all the time helps, but we're Colorado right now and Vegas keeps doing the same things hoping for better results. Dallas repeated.

The only reason you never see a Vegas forward behind their D is because almost all of the Vegas skaters are handling the puck like a grenade. No one outside of Petro has any confidence with the puck right now. Theo and Holden are out there just handing out breakaways and odd man rushes like candy and then the forwards will have something look promising and promptly either pass the puck directly to a Montreal player or shoot high and wide.

 

[Vegan Knight]

Spott should be fired into the sun, but Deboer doesn't get this team to the final 4 twice if he's as terrible a coach as you think he is. His system clearly works until the players stop executing.

The only way I'd want Deboer gone is if he's unwilling to let Spott go.

I agree. There are a lot of rose tinted glasses of the late Gallant era. Spott needs to be fired and trading a big forward to shake things up if we lose.

We could free up ten million for Eichel but I'm not sure with what the trade is likely to be. Other than that Kuznetsov is another on the market.

We have enough wingers and young wingers who need a shot, if they spend money it needs to be on a center who can drive some offense.

 

[Pia8988]

The only reason you never see a Vegas forward behind their D is because almost all of the Vegas skaters are handling the puck like a grenade. No one outside of Petro has any confidence with the puck right now. Theo and Holden are out there just handing out breakaways and odd man rushes like candy and then the forwards will have something look promising and promptly either pass the puck directly to a Montreal player or shoot high and wide.

Montreal also has 1 D stay back because they don't run their offense solely through the defense.

 

[azvgk]

Tuch plus plus plus

No thanks to Tuch plus plus plus - you just can't teach that combination of size and speed. It's up to the coaches to harness it and put him in position to succeed.

 

[Adonis]

I agree. Tampa has these guys outmanned at every position. And Tampa's PP is ridiculous. I don't think VGK would beat Tampa. But I think it would be more competetive. Vegas isn't done yet. But it's going to be tough to beat Price twice in a row.

Tampa would probably crush Vegas from what i'm seeing this series, at least Montreal will try suffocating their attack like they did all other series

 

[Pia8988]

No thanks to Tuch plus plus plus - you just can't teach that combination of size and speed. It's up to the coaches to harness it and put him in position to succeed.

Patches-Roy-Tuch is the only F line to score the last few games. Keep it together. Break up the misfit line if you have to.

 

[azvgk]

Tampa would probably crush Vegas from what i'm seeing this series, at least Montreal will try suffocating their attack like they did all other series

Did anyone watch the Tampa power play - no one stands still. They don't just stand there and pass around the perimeter until they get an unscreened 60 foot slap shot or we fumble a pass. All five guys are in motion constantly, even Stamkos though he shoots from the same spot and he hits the net. We're making it too easy for Montreal. We did last year too for the Stars, Tampa beat them.

But yes, even if we get by Montreal, still a possibility, I don't like our chances against Tampa, though they don't just turtle. But they have Colorado firepower with better defense and goaltending.

 

[The Duck Knight]

I agree. There are a lot of rose tinted glasses of the late Gallant era. Spott needs to be fired and trading a big forward to shake things up if we lose.

We could free up ten million for Eichel but I'm not sure with what the trade is likely to be. Other than that Kuznetsov is another on the market.

We have enough wingers and young wingers who need a shot, if they spend money it needs to be on a center who can drive some offense.

While a center would be ideal to reallocate some money from 1 or 2 of the wingers, the shakeup needs to happen regardless. Even if a center upgrade can't be had you need more grit in the top 6. This group of forwards just isn't it.

 

[azvgk]

While a center would be ideal to reallocate some money from 1 or 2 of the wingers, the shakeup needs to happen regardless. Even if a center upgrade can't be had you need more grit in the top 6. This group of forwards just isn't it.

I don't agree. While I've long said our putrid power play will one day kill us, rewatch the relentless pressure we put on Colorado in games 2,3 and 4. I know we need volume to score, we don't have elite sniper talent, I think we CAN win if we just keep developing some upgraded talent and get rid of some of the dead wood, like Reaves.

 

[The Duck Knight]

I don't agree. While I've long said our putrid power play will one day kill us, rewatch the relentless pressure we put on Colorado in games 2,3 and 4. I know we need volume to score, we don't have elite sniper talent, I think we CAN win if we just keep developing some upgraded talent and get rid of some of the dead wood, like Reaves.

Of course this top 6 has proven they CAN score. The problem is eventually they fail to do so and poof the season is over. There's not enough consistency there for the money they're making, so it's time to shake things up in that department. None of the young guys are going to be difference makers in that department oustide of Krebs and he's one of the guys I wouldn't even think about trading.

 

[Haguerbomb]

Its not just 1 player.



Stone, Pacioretty, Stephenson, Karlsson, Marchessault, Smith, Tuch combine for 1 goal in 5 games against MTL. That's beyond abysmal.

 

[azvgk]

Of course this top 6 has proven they CAN score. The problem is eventually they fail to do so and poof the season is over. There's not enough consistency there for the money they're making, so it's time to shake things up in that department. None of the young guys are going to be difference makers in that department oustide of Krebs and he's one of the guys I wouldn't even think about trading.

I was extremely impressed with Krebs' potential. He is certainly a keeper.

 

[The Duck Knight]

Its not just 1 player.



Stone, Pacioretty, Stephenson, Karlsson, Marchessault, Smith, Tuch combine for 1 goal in 5 games against MTL. That's beyond abysmal.

40 million dollars per year for that group of players for 1 goal in a series to go to the Cup Final.

Add in the goalie money. 52 million on an 81 million dollar cap to get no offense.

There's 3 main areas of blame here for me.

1. Mcrimmon/Mcphee. They put together this roster with a big money backup goalie knowing full well of this top 6 vanishing in the WCF last year.

2. Steve Spott. Duh. Everywhere he goes powerplays die. Pretty much every one of our PP players had proven to be effective at it before he arrived.

3. The skill players. I don't know if I'd call it heart or toughness or lack of confindence or a clutch gene, but there's something missing in this group that makes them stop doing the things they do when they have success, which they've clearly shown they CAN do.

 

[willy702]

I don't think you guys understand what Spott is. He's a yes man. He follows PDB around because he's comfortable with him. He wasn't hired to be a PP specialist or bring anything to the team other than implementing PDBs system. So stop believing firing Spott but keeping PDB is a smart course of action.

 

[ZEBROA]

Philly and Boston players have used it as motivation one way or another. This is a dumb argument. They can take criticism or they're too weak mentally to win anyway.

Dumb or not it works, but hey if you dont like your team or dont want them to win, hate away!

Some player feed on hate some dont care some gets worse. No player gets worse getting cheered on. So the team as a whole should be better getting support. Its up to the coach who knows the players indiviually to wip or lift up extra for the ones who need that.

 

[Vegan Knight]

Dumb or not it works, but hey if you dont like your team or dont want them to win, hate away!

Some player feed on hate some dont care some gets worse. No player gets worse getting cheered on. So the team as a whole should be better getting support. Its up to the coach who knows the players indiviually to wip or lift up extra for the ones who need that.

More idiocy making blanket statements with nothing to back it up.

You just have dumb platitudes that mean nothing and aren't even quantifiable, come back when you have something of substance to say.

 

[Vegas07]

We allowed the fewest goals in the league and our defense is better than it was last year. Our best chance is to shut their offense down and win a low scoring game like we did in game 4 and almost did in game 3. We should take pride in our ability to shut teams down.

And despite our struggling offense, we could still be ahead in this series if a couple of our Dmen stopped killing us.

I’m so disappointed we upgraded our D, have better rested goalies than anybody else and still struggle this much to beat these types of teams. I do think the Habs have been severely underrated though.

 

[Vegas07]

I agree. Tampa has these guys outmanned at every position. And Tampa's PP is ridiculous. I don't think VGK would beat Tampa. But I think it would be more competetive. Vegas isn't done yet. But it's going to be tough to beat Price twice in a row.

Tampa has been exposing every team the last couple postseasons. They never lose twice in a row. Anybody that picks them to lose is nuts.