Salary Cap: Saros and Fabbro file for Arbitration

[Byrddog]

LMAO

 

[FossilFndr]

Amazed that there was a crawler on local Johnson City CBS that 4 year $20 mill deal for Saros

 

[OldFan]

When did Poile offer this deal? What did Saros request?

We are all ignorant of what the numbers and term being tossed around were ... or when this agreed upon offer was actually made.

Could also have been about the no movement provision which Poile has been hard nosed about. Who knows? It’s done.

 

[BigFatCat999]

Now sign Tolvanen or trade him for better.

 

[adsfan]

Here's hoping they don't get to the hearing. A 1- or 2-year deal for Saros could put us in a vulnerable position. I will be very surprised if Saros is asking for ridiculous money. Like with Fiala... asking for $6.25M and the Wild offering $4M... it'll be something like that, I suspect. If there is a "ridiculous" component in the process right now, I would gamble on it being on the Team side instead of the Player side.

I like the 4 years for $20M for Saros. It is a fair deal for both sides.

A 1 year deal for Fiala for $5.1M. Don't be surprised if the Wild trades him!

Kevin will be unhappy with that term, unless the Wild are promising a future deal at 6 or 7M per year.

 

[OldFan]

Now sign Tolvanen or trade him for better.

Fiala could be available.

 

[OldFan]

Official announcements always come way after the insider breaks the news.

The team will probably wait until he actually signs the deal. It's probably only agreed to at this point

Based on insider news then Cap Friendly, TSN and the tennessean published the deal. I will say Cap Friendly said incomplete info.(not wrong info; just incomplete). But perhaps the club is under some sort of NHL/NHLPA rule.

 

[PredsV82]

Ideally Poile would have just offered this contract 2 months ago, because we all know it's fair and what Saros earned. Instead of offering $3.5M or whatever he might have offered and starting everything off down this path. Just a waste of time on Poile's part is what it was. We aren't in a Cap position where we need to try to ram through any contract bargains on our best players.

You really think if he starts with that offer 2 months ago, Saros agent just says "duh, ok"?

No, he would have assumed Poile was starting below where he was willing to go and waited for the raise.

This was gonna happen this way, so Saros could maximize his return.

The fact that it happend today and not tomorrow or after the hearing tells me Saros instruction to his agent was "get as much as you can but dont poison the well"

 

[Armourboy]

Well guess I nailed that one

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

You really think if he starts with that offer 2 months ago, Saros agent just says "duh, ok"?

I think you're being a little naive if you think they couldn't have settled on this contract 2 months ago, yes.

 

[triggrman]

I think you're being a little naive if you think they couldn't have settled on this contract 2 months ago, yes.

There's no way you open with your top dollar in a negotiation.

 

[Gh24]

Posted shortly after free agency

Predators working on contracts for Juuse Saros, Mattias Ekholm

"Negotiations have just started," Poile said of Saros. "I couldn't tell you whether it's going to be tomorrow or in three weeks. I don't think it ever serves any purpose (to estimate). Let's just leave it at that."
Poile expressed confidence in signing Saros, along with Forsberg and Ekholm, though negotiations with the latter two have not yet begun

Doesn't mean things haven't been discussed, but apparently the actual negotiations didn't take that long. I'm thinking that at some point they just agreed they would sit down after the season

 

[OldFan]

There's no way you open with your top dollar in a negotiation.

Poile is managing a budget. Saros is maximizing income. There is a contract. Hence negotiation. It’s business; not personal.

 

[triggrman]

Poile is managing a budget. Saros is maximizing income. There is a contract. Hence negotiation. It’s business; not personal.

100%. Both had conflicting interests as well as common ones, the negotiation is has to take both in account. Neither side wants to leave money on the table. It's a process.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

There's no way you open with your top dollar in a negotiation.

Exactly. And yet, we all knew the number and the term 2 months ago. Even if it's not directly your "opening bid" on either side, they could have hit these numbes 2 months ago.

 

[101st_fan]

Exactly. And yet, we all knew the number and the term 2 months ago. Even if it's not directly your "opening bid" on either side, they could have hit these numbes 2 months ago.

Not without negotiating two months ago.

 

[triggrman]

apparently, they didn't start until August, and we don't know why, but it seems it was scheduled that way.

 

[nine_inch_fang]

It's seems the issue at hand isn't Poile's negotiating style it's his schedule. Seems weird.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

apparently, they didn't start until August, and we don't know why, but it seems it was scheduled that way.

Yeah, that would be weird. Saros was our Best Player last year. He was our MVP. I'm not in a camp that thinks that is necessarily sustainable or anything, but he was. If you think he wasn't, I think you didn't watch our games. He has his warts. But at the same time, he pulled us through. If your "schedule" can't make room for that, esp. given our historic #1/rafters/HOF goalie just retired... uh... some priorities are off.

 

[nine_inch_fang]

Yeah, that would be weird. Saros was our Best Player last year. He was our MVP. I'm not in a camp that thinks that is necessarily sustainable or anything, but he was. If you think he wasn't, I think you didn't watch our games. He has his warts. But at the same time, he pulled us through. If your "schedule" can't make room for that, esp. given our historic #1/rafters/HOF goalie just retired... uh... some priorities are off.

Your insistence that Poile do things on your timeline is a little strange not the fact that the player was given a chance to go relax and have a vacation after the season ended.

 

[triggrman]

Yeah, that would be weird. Saros was our Best Player last year. He was our MVP. I'm not in a camp that thinks that is necessarily sustainable or anything, but he was. If you think he wasn't, I think you didn't watch our games. He has his warts. But at the same time, he pulled us through. If your "schedule" can't make room for that, esp. given our historic #1/rafters/HOF goalie just retired... uh... some priorities are off.

How do you know Saros didn't tell Poile, "hey, let's work on this contract but I'm going home for a month first"?

 

[PredsV82]

Exactly. And yet, we all knew the number and the term 2 months ago. Even if it's not directly your "opening bid" on either side, they could have hit these numbes 2 months ago.

Why are you picking this hill to die on? The only way this gets done 2 months ago is if Saros agent is incompetent or Polie sets an arbitrary deadline. Otherwise Saros agent has every reason to wait untilnthe last minute for Poile to give more. Who are you even saying was harmed by this not happening 2 months ago? Why does it need to have happened?

 

[101st_fan]

Yeah, that would be weird. Saros was our Best Player last year. He was our MVP. I'm not in a camp that thinks that is necessarily sustainable or anything, but he was. If you think he wasn't, I think you didn't watch our games. He has his warts. But at the same time, he pulled us through. If your "schedule" can't make room for that, esp. given our historic #1/rafters/HOF goalie just retired... uh... some priorities are off.

The priorities are fine. Your view of when and how the team and player should manage time off and relaxation is a bit off.

 

[braindead]

Is this signing not worthy of a thread with an appropriate title? I object to lumping it into the arb thread. But I’m too lazy and incompetent to solve it myself.

 

[PredsV82]

Is this signing not worthy of a thread with an appropriate title? I object to lumping it into the arb thread. But I’m too lazy and incompetent to solve it myself.

Done.