Salary Cap: Salary Cap Thread for 2015-16 season - Cap set at 71.4m

[SpookyTsuki]

Over how many years?

Two. Or whatever leadss him to UFA

 

[Henkka]

Fair, I just don't see a scenario where Nyquist's AAV is that low. Unless it's a 1 year deal. I'm a bit surprised Khan said this. Even at 4 years I don't see it being less than 4x4.

Yeah, totally different contracts. Tatar's don't eat UFA years, Nyquist's will eat.

Nyquist will get 4.5M at least.

 

[detredWINgs]

That doesn't seem to make sense, Nyquist is two years older when signing his deal and he's got two 25 goal seasons under his belt -- Tatar had one 19 goal season. I'll believe it when I see it, Khan.

Yeah, it's absurd. There is no way Nyquist gets a contract similar to Tatar's. It baffles me how a guy who makes a career (in part) off of writing about hockey could underestimate the bargaining chip that is back-to-back 25+ goal seasons.

It's comments like this that, cumulatively over the years, suggest to me that the Red Wings beat writers have little additional insight into the Wings operations over what we do.

 

[Frk It]

Two. Or whatever leadss him to UFA

So save money for 2 years, and then have to pay him 5-6 million in 2 years?

That sounds like a bad plan to me.

 

[SpookyTsuki]

So save money for 2 years, and then have to pay him 5-6 million in 2 years?

That sounds like a bad plan to me.

Usually how it works when you have smart agents that Know Holland is gonna need Nyquist for about 2/3 years at minimum anyway to keep his playoff streak alive.

 

[Frk It]

A lot of guys getting extended/re-signed today, I am wondering if Nyquist or Smith get a deal done today?

 

[Frk It]

It's HSJ, but FWIW

but the Wings have several restricted free agents left to sign, starting with Gustav Nyquist, He's scored nearly 30 goals each of the past two seasons, so expect him to want in the $5 million annually range.

http://www.freep.com/story/sports/n...1/detroit-red-wings-nhl-free-agency/29561563/

 

[Vladdy84]

It's HSJ, but FWIW


http://www.freep.com/story/sports/n...1/detroit-red-wings-nhl-free-agency/29561563/

That's about his market value (4-5M). And it gives me a chuckle when people put him in trade proposals with a top prospect + to get a Top 4 D-Man.

 

[joe89]

I get it to a little over $6.5M in cap space left to sign Nyquist, Jurco and Pulkkinen. That should be very doable. With them signed, we've got 2G, 7D and 14F. That's assuming Franzen on the team, but none of Miele, Callahan(unsigned) and Ferraro(unsigned). And Larkin, Ouellet and Marchenko in the minors, obviously.

 

[Henkka]

So far... guys in caphit order:

1. Datsyuk - 7.500M
2. Zetterberg - 6.083M
3. Nyquist (estimated ~4.500M)
4. Franzen - 3.955M
5. Richards - 3.000M (+1M playoff bonus, won't affect this year's numbers)
6. Tatar - 2.750M
7. Helm - 2.128M
8. Abdelkader - 1.800M
9. Miller - 1.350M
10. Sheahan - 950k
11. Pulkkinen (estimated ~950k)
12. Jurco (estimated ~950k)
13. Andersson - 815k
14. Ferraro (estimated ~700k)
15. Glendening - 628k

1. Green - 6.000M
2. Kronwall - 4.750M
3. Ericsson - 4.250M
4. Quincey - 4.250M
5. Smith - 2.750M
6. Kindl - 2.400M
7. DeKeyser - 2.188M

1. Howard - 5.292M
2. Mrazek - 738k

2014-15 Bonus overage - 740k
Weiss buyout - 1.067M

Total:
72.482M

~1.1M over the cap, with one guy over the 23-man roster limit.

- If Franzen is on LTIR, we're fine.
- If Nyquist signs less than 4.5M, we could also solve these minor cap "problems". Just very near of limits. They know what to do.

 

[Henkka]

Update:

1. Datsyuk - 7.500M
2. Zetterberg - 6.083M
3. Nyquist - 4.750M
4. Franzen - 3.955M
5. Richards - 3.000M (+1M playoff bonus, won't affect this year's numbers)
6. Tatar - 2.750M
7. Helm - 2.128M
8. Abdelkader - 1.800M
9. Miller - 1.350M
10. Sheahan - 950k
11. Jurco RFA (estimated ~950k)
12. Andersson - 815k
13. Pulkkinen RFA (estimated ~800k)
14. Glendening - 628k
15. Ferraro - 600k

1. Green - 6.000M
2. Kronwall - 4.750M
3. Ericsson - 4.250M
4. Quincey - 4.250M
5. Smith - 2.750M
6. Kindl - 2.400M
7. DeKeyser - 2.188M

1. Howard - 5.292M
2. Mrazek - 738k

Other costs:
2014-15 Bonus overage - 740k
Weiss buyout - 1.067M

Current figures Total without estimations: 70.729M
Salary Cap 71.400M

= Cap space 0.621M (with 13+7+2 = 23 roster)

Some sources include 575k Andy Miele at Nhl roster which messes figures, but I don't believe that happen. My figures were counted with all Jurco, Ferraro and Pulkkinen up. Miele down, Tangradi down, Ouellet and & Marchenko down.

I've searched some contract comparables and based on Linden Vey (1M) and JP Pageau (900k) Jurco is gonna get that level numbers. Pulkkinen is going to get less, like Jeremy Morin numbers (800k). 34 games of Nhl experience and 8 points n those games just won't give you more.

When both are signed for combined ~1.7M, we are ~1.0-1.1M over the cap.

Then we could burn Kindl to minors creating 925k room and have a 23-man roster, but it still keeps us 200k over the cap.

It forces us to trade a guy like Drew Miller, whose caphit will fit as best solution for the problem. Of course, we can dream about the Kindl trade which would open more space, but I just don't believe it will happen.

If Datsyuk and Franzen aren't on LTIR at season start, somebody has to move. If they are, fine, but it pushes the problem only for the future and just same decisions come later.

 

[Inspiration]

Excellent write-up. Thanks for posting this. Do you have confirmation regarding the bonus overage of $740K? I have seen it posted here, but I haven't seen it mentioned on any of the cap sites or by the beat writers.

If Datsyuk and Franzen aren't on LTIR at season start, somebody has to move. If they are, fine, but it pushes the problem only for the future and just same decisions come later.

I would guess that if Franzen is on IR at the start of the season (due the concussion issue), his career is likely over.

 

[Frk It]

Update:

1. Datsyuk - 7.500M
2. Zetterberg - 6.083M
3. Nyquist - 4.750M
4. Franzen - 3.955M
5. Richards - 3.000M (+1M playoff bonus, won't affect this year's numbers)
6. Tatar - 2.750M
7. Helm - 2.128M
8. Abdelkader - 1.800M
9. Miller - 1.350M
10. Sheahan - 950k
11. Jurco RFA (estimated ~950k)
12. Andersson - 815k
13. Pulkkinen RFA (estimated ~800k)
14. Glendening - 628k
15. Ferraro - 600k

1. Green - 6.000M
2. Kronwall - 4.750M
3. Ericsson - 4.250M
4. Quincey - 4.250M
5. Smith - 2.750M
6. Kindl - 2.400M
7. DeKeyser - 2.188M

1. Howard - 5.292M
2. Mrazek - 738k

Other costs:
2014-15 Bonus overage - 740k
Weiss buyout - 1.067M

Current figures Total without estimations: 70.729M
Salary Cap 71.400M

= Cap space 0.621M (with 13+7+2 = 23 roster)

Some sources include 575k Andy Miele at Nhl roster which messes figures, but I don't believe that happen. My figures were counted with all Jurco, Ferraro and Pulkkinen up. Miele down, Tangradi down, Ouellet and & Marchenko down.

I've searched some contract comparables and based on Linden Vey (1M) and JP Pageau (900k) Jurco is gonna get that level numbers. Pulkkinen is going to get less, like Jeremy Morin numbers (800k). 34 games of Nhl experience and 8 points n those games just won't give you more.

When both are signed for combined ~1.7M, we are ~1.0-1.1M over the cap.

Then we could burn Kindl to minors creating 925k room and have a 23-man roster, but it still keeps us 200k over the cap.

It forces us to trade a guy like Drew Miller, whose caphit will fit as best solution for the problem. Of course, we can dream about the Kindl trade which would open more space, but I just don't believe it will happen.

If Datsyuk and Franzen aren't on LTIR at season start, somebody has to move. If they are, fine, but it pushes the problem only for the future and just same decisions come later.

Thank you for taking the time to do this, truly mean that.

 

[Henkka]

Excellent write-up. Thanks for posting this. Do you have confirmation regarding the bonus overage of $740K? I have seen it posted here, but I haven't seen it mentioned on any of the cap sites or by the beat writers.

http://war-on-ice.com/cap/DET.html

War-on-ice mentions 740k bonus carryover in their Miscellaneuous column. Same at hockey's cap. We had Total ~1.1M in bonuses achieved at last season (Cleary + some kids), and ~400k part stayed at last season's cap and 740k did slide to this season's cap.

As an example, at last season cap, we had 3 million bonuses slided from 2013-14 season, which came mostly from that Alfredsson deal. It's mentioned also there.

I have some old capgeek figures on my own excel and these numbers are based on that. Looks like everything matches. I'll give you guys a 99% guarantee.

 

[waltdetroit]

I believe Cleary & Jurco received bonuses and the $740k is the remaining $$ that were not covered in last years cap

 

[Run the Jewels]

I would guess that if Franzen is on IR at the start of the season (due the concussion issue), his career is likely over.

The Wings should have taken the decision away from Franzen a long time ago by making him a compliance buyout. His quality of life is going to be equal to that of a potted fern if he gets another concussion or two. I can't see them letting him suit up again but like Kenneh says "you can't go out and pick up 30 goal scorers at Meijer Thrifty Acres".

 

[Actual Thought*]

The Wings should have taken the decision away from Franzen a long time ago by making him a compliance buyout. His quality of life is going to be equal to that of a potted fern if he gets another concussion or two. I can't see them letting him suit up again but like Kenneh says "you can't go out and pick up 30 goal scorers at Meijer Thrifty Acres".

Every situation is different. Every guy in the game runs the risk of severe injury or even death every shift they play. A first concussion can be the one that handicaps a guy. Sure it would seem guys with multiple concussions would be more likely to suffer long term but I am not a medical professional nor have I seen Franzen's chart so I am probably not qualified to say what he or they should or should not do.

 

[Henkka]

With concussion problems, it's pretty easy to solve these cap-problems through LTIR, because there are those Savard and Pronger -cases already opening this "loophole". So in this Franzen case, we should not waste time worrying it too much. If he plays, he will help the team, if not, he's on LTIR which gives space to add replacements.

There's always a way.

If I had had to guess, Mule will not come back because we are already preparing for the season with 15 forwards up.

 

[Run the Jewels]

Every situation is different. Every guy in the game runs the risk of severe injury or even death every shift they play. A first concussion can be the one that handicaps a guy. Sure it would seem guys with multiple concussions would be more likely to suffer long term but I am not a medical professional nor have I seen Franzen's chart so I am probably not qualified to say what he or they should or should not do.

Let's hear it straight from the Mule's mouth:

"I was in a really dark place, maybe not the first month because you think it's going to get better, but then when it doesn't get better, you start wondering."

He said he basically didn't get out of bed the first two months.

"I got up and tried to do whatever and got a migraine and had to shut right down," Franzen said. "The last month, it's been progressing slowly, but steadily getting better. I still got a lot of issues, but at least I can get through workouts and get something done during the day."

He's seen several doctors, including specialists, and tried various procedures, like acupuncture.

"I guess my brain is getting too big for my skull, like I'm taking in too much," Franzen said.

The more he does the harder it is on his brain.

He also hasn't been able to practice with the team since the incident in January, so yeah sounds like that's perfectly normal for a guy in his 30s. I'm sure he just got his bell rung!

 

[Actual Thought*]

Let's hear it straight from the Mule's mouth:



He also hasn't been able to practice with the team since the incident in January, so yeah sounds like that's perfectly normal for a guy in his 30s. I'm sure he just got his bell rung!

He had/has concussion symptoms because he had/has a concussion. It was scary yet he says he still wants to come back and didn't indicate anything about cumulative effect. You are jumping to conclusions. Most NHL players have likely had multiple concussions in their careers. Some are worse than others. Franzen got a bad one THIS TIME.

 

[Henkka]

Concussions are tricky. Somebody comes back after 1 week, for somebody it takes 10 months, like it was with Andreas Lilja. Some guys won't get ever a doctor permission to play again.

It's a lottery.

 

[JPE123]

My son had 3 concussions. The last one took about 8 months to get over all symptoms and that's when he made the decision to quit playing. That was 20 years ago and he doesn't have side effects and also no regrets. Every concussion is different and I would assume everyone recovers differently

 

[FlashyG]

Let's hear it straight from the Mule's mouth:



He also hasn't been able to practice with the team since the incident in January, so yeah sounds like that's perfectly normal for a guy in his 30s. I'm sure he just got his bell rung!

You must have missed Franzen's most recent interview, where he's said he's training hard this off-season and was about to ramp up his workouts to 2 a days. He hopes to be ready for training camp and said that had the Wings advanced past round 1 he would have tried to return last season.

 

[InjuredChoker]

You must have missed Franzen's most recent interview, where he's said he's training hard this off-season and was about to ramp up his workouts to 2 a days. He hopes to be ready for training camp and said that had the Wings advanced past round 1 he would have tried to return last season.

technically, what he said is true since the team hasn't practiced together since april.

 

[WingedWheel1987]

technically, what he said is true since the team hasn't practiced together since april.

I would prefer to see Franzen LTIRetire. He has no long term future with the team anymore, even if his contract disagrees.