Salary Cap: Salary Cap Thread for 2015-16 season - Cap set at 71.4m

[Brandel*]

nyquist might take closer to 5 mil but smith doesn't deserve 3 mil. around 2 mil is more than fair.

What term do you think Nyquist is looking at?

 

[Flowah]

Please let Andersson go. Even at under a million, I would rather put that somewhere else. He doesn't even center a line anymore.

 

[Heaton]

What term do you think Nyquist is looking at?

I'd imagine he'd get 4-5 years around 20-23m.

 

[InjuredChoker]

What term do you think Nyquist is looking at?

long.

 

[Henkka]

Please let Andersson go. Even at under a million, I would rather put that somewhere else. He doesn't even center a line anymore.

Andersson is ok, as a new cheaper "cleary". Benchwarmer 13-14th forward, with under 925k waiver-buriable contract. Those are nothing but good contracts.

 

[Brandel*]

I was thinking more likely something like this for him. Maybe even less term. It will be an interesting one to see.

https://www.hockeyscap.com/players/patric_hornqvist

(And Smith below 2)

 

[Brandel*]

https://www.hockeyscap.com/teams/redwings

http://www.generalfanager.com/teams/detroit-red-wings

http://war-on-ice.com/cap/DET.html

http://stats.nhlnumbers.com/teams/DET?year=2016

Every site has different cap numbers for us :S I miss capgeek

 

[WingedWheel1987]

I really like Capfriendly.com for my capgeek replacement.

 

[Brandel*]

I really like Capfriendly.com for my capgeek replacement.

They have the same as generalfanager, which I prefer, so we'll go with that number.

 

[Flowah]

Andersson is ok, as a new cheaper "cleary". Benchwarmer 13-14th forward, with under 925k waiver-buriable contract. Those are nothing but good contracts.

We got enough without him. Even assuming Cleary and no other UFAs are signed.

 

[SpookyTsuki]

I use fanager

 

[Henkka]

Could some moderator add these new figures (71.4M cap) on the thread topic...?

 

[odin1981]

Pretty sure Smith made around 2 per year on his past deal. So any of you expecting to sign him at under 2 million are gonna be sad/angry. Common sense dictates that he will be signed for 2-2.5 million. I pray however that he is signed tops for 2 years only though. Factoring in the rising cap and the 3rd pairing types should be around 2.5-3 per and second pairing will settle into 5.5-5.99 per.

As of last year 2nd pairing UFA deals went for 5-5.5 per year. 3rd pairing appears to be around 2-2.5 million. with Smith 1 year away from UFA he might even get the Kindl special (ala 2.25 next year, 2.75 year after, 3.25 next). But I would hope the organizations scouting isn't that bad at determining talent. Granted are pro scouting has been in the toilet the past 3-4 years however.

 

[Brandel*]

Pretty sure Smith made around 2 per year on his past deal. So any of you expecting to sign him at under 2 million are gonna be sad/angry. Common sense dictates that he will be signed for 2-2.5 million. I pray however that he is signed tops for 2 years only though. Factoring in the rising cap and the 3rd pairing types should be around 2.5-3 per and second pairing will settle into 5.5-5.99 per.

As of last year 2nd pairing UFA deals went for 5-5.5 per year. 3rd pairing appears to be around 2-2.5 million. with Smith 1 year away from UFA he might even get the Kindl special (ala 2.25 next year, 2.75 year after, 3.25 next). But I would hope the organizations scouting isn't that bad at determining talent. Granted are pro scouting has been in the toilet the past 3-4 years however.

His AAV was 1.2625M on his past deal.

 

[Henkka]

Pretty sure Smith made around 2 per year on his past deal. So any of you expecting to sign him at under 2 million are gonna be sad/angry. Common sense dictates that he will be signed for 2-2.5 million. I pray however that he is signed tops for 2 years only though. Factoring in the rising cap and the 3rd pairing types should be around 2.5-3 per and second pairing will settle into 5.5-5.99 per.

As of last year 2nd pairing UFA deals went for 5-5.5 per year. 3rd pairing appears to be around 2-2.5 million. with Smith 1 year away from UFA he might even get the Kindl special (ala 2.25 next year, 2.75 year after, 3.25 next). But I would hope the organizations scouting isn't that bad at determining talent. Granted are pro scouting has been in the toilet the past 3-4 years however.

Smith earned 1.275M last year. 1.25M on previous year. Caphit was 1.2625M.

With his smallish production, I don't expect a huge raise. Kindl outproduced Smith with 2x more point in same kind of role before his extension.

He won't get a long-term contract because we already have a huge logjam at defence and then his salary won't get anyhow over 2M.

Have to find a RFA contract comparable.

 

[detredWINgs]

Re-signing Smith should not be a priority before July 1st unless the Wings truly have no interest in signing a free agent. You don't sign Smith and then approach the likes of Green, Sekera, Franson, Martin et al. after tying one hand behind your back with yet another guaranteed contract to a mediocre defenseman. Smith needs to know the pecking order.

Same goes for Andersson. No reason to even sign the guy prior to August.

 

[detredWINgs]

I was thinking more likely something like this for him. Maybe even less term. It will be an interesting one to see.

https://www.hockeyscap.com/players/patric_hornqvist

(And Smith below 2)

Hornqvist. Bjugstad. Oshie. At 4.25 per or less, I see little reason not to sign him for 5-6 years. If he gets no better than he is now, he is worth $5M on the open market. And that's under a conservative cap. That deal would take him to 30-31 years old. Anything shorter, and he's got a good argument that he's still in his prime on his subsequent contract.

 

[Flowah]

Re-signing Smith should not be a priority before July 1st unless the Wings truly have no interest in signing a free agent. You don't sign Smith and then approach the likes of Green, Sekera, Franson, Martin et al. after tying one hand behind your back with yet another guaranteed contract to a mediocre defenseman. Smith needs to know the pecking order.

Same goes for Andersson. No reason to even sign the guy prior to August.

You're not terrified that someone is going to snatch up Andersson from under us?

 

[Brandel*]

Here's something I was considering regarding Nyquist's contract. I don't entirely agree with it but still.

On top of that, he'd likely cost you, at minimum, a player like Gustav Nyquist, who's five years younger and much less expensive (he'll probably sign a deal similar to Tomas Tatar's $2.75 million cap hit).

http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/2015/06/ask_ansar_on_free_agency_trade.html

 

[Frk It]

Here's something I was considering regarding Nyquist's contract. I don't entirely agree with it but still.



http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/2015/06/ask_ansar_on_free_agency_trade.html

Two years would take him to UFA if I'm not mistaken, so I don't see this being an option.

 

[Brandel*]

Two years would take him to UFA if I'm not mistaken, so I don't see this being an option.

Tatar's contract was 3 years and Khan didn't mention term anyway but if Khan thinks Nyquist's $ will be that low, I'm assuming the term will be short as well. I'm still thinking theres a chance Nyquist only gets 4 years. Although I wouldn't be surprised at seeing a long term deal either. Just not sold it's going to be a 6x4.5-5M or something similar.

 

[Frk It]

Tatar's contract was 3 years and Khan didn't mention term anyway but if Khan thinks Nyquist's $ will be that low, I'm assuming the term will be short as well. I'm still thinking theres a chance Nyquist only gets 4. Although I wouldn't be surprised at seeing a long term deal either. Just not sold it's going to be a 6x4.5-5M or something similar.

Fair, I just don't see a scenario where Nyquist's AAV is that low. Unless it's a 1 year deal. I'm a bit surprised Khan said this. Even at 4 years I don't see it being less than 4x4.

 

[SpookyTsuki]

Nyquist might get 3.5 or something.

 

[Frk It]

Nyquist might get 3.5 or something.

Over how many years?

 

[joe89]

That doesn't seem to make sense, Nyquist is two years older when signing his deal and he's got two 25 goal seasons under his belt -- Tatar had one 19 goal season. I'll believe it when I see it, Khan.