Salary Cap: Salary Cap Summer Part 3

[mpp9]

Zetterberg still has 4 years on his deal. Otherwise, I'd be all about going after him. Perfect complement to 87/71 up the middle.

 

[Riptide]

I'm interested to see what can be pried out of Detroit now, they are 3M+ over the cap.

Does that include Johan Franzen's contract?

Yes. They have ~900k in space to sign AA. Franzen goes onto LTIR and that's what gives them the 900k. And while sure they have 9D signed, they still need to fill out the forward group as they only have 10 forwards (not counting JF) signed. So figure most of whatever they get from sending 2D to the minors will go to their 12/13th F.

Detroit would be a prime candidate to see about getting someone.

 

[Riptide]

Tomas Tatar 4 year at 5.3 mil AAV

Does this have any knock on effect in relation to the Sheary Arbitration?

Tatar has 2 years more NHL experience so is more of a proven commodity but they are of a similar age.‎

Age means very little. Arbitration can only take into account contracts that only take up RFA years. Which means 1) Tatar's contract is irrelevant and 2) that due to all RFA year only contracts, that age is mostly if not entirely irrelevant. It's all about what they've done at the NHL level.

 

[Nakawick]

That is such a horrible contract. Im in the minority but i would have liked to see DP play for 20 to 30 games IN A ROW before writing him off. The fact that hes had moments when hes played well indicates it is mental with him and maybe assuring him he can work out his mistakes ( like young D Man get to usually do) will allow him the confidence to find his game at the NHL level. If he sucks after that long stretch of games you know for sure he is a bust. But if he plays well and you keep him he can either be kept or traded with his rising value. Isnt that at least worth a try?

Not sure if all of your post was meant for me. I am in favour of giving Pouliot an extended look for the reasons you listed.

In regard to Zetterbergs contract, the last 3 years make it easy to move to a budget team. 6 mil cap hit at only 1 mil actual salary. Zetterberg also stills performs at a high level. No idea if he is availible or what he would cost.

 

[billybudd]

Simon Despres is at a point where the only thing he's getting from anyone is a camp invite. Probably a two-way deal where he might need to start in the A to demonstrate that he's durable enough to put some games together and prove he's not lost too much to be of use. Think Paul Ranger.


I love Zetterberg, but if the Wings moved him, you're looking at a massive bidding war, unless Holland did him a solid and traded him to a particular team he wanted to go. Honestly, I imagine Z would fetch better return than Duchene would.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

If only AA was a center (he was 44.6 and 41% the last 2yrs, taking around 200 draws in both years combined).

 

[SEALBound]

I wouldn't hate it but here's the issue for me - I highly doubt he usurps anyone in the current line up...which means he's either a HS or in the AHL. If he does well enough in the AHL to get a call up, he'd likely get claimed.

Despres would be an insurance policy, if healthy. He would permit; if JR was so inclined to move Maatta. Even if that isn't the play; Despres at 6' 4 could slot into the bottom pair, if Cole leaves as an UFA following next year.

Despres in his condition does not make Maatta movable at all. Not one bit.

Maatta. And even then I'd probably say no if I'm Detroit. AA has some silly upside.

Lol, no. Look, AA is good but he's not worth Maatta. Not even close.

Simon Despres is at a point where the only thing he's getting from anyone is a camp invite. Probably a two-way deal where he might need to start in the A to demonstrate that he's durable enough to put some games together and prove he's not lost too much to be of use. Think Paul Ranger.

Agreed.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Simon Despres is at a point where the only thing he's getting from anyone is a camp invite. Probably a two-way deal where he might need to start in the A to demonstrate that he's durable enough to put some games together and prove he's not lost too much to be of use. Think Paul Ranger.


I love Zetterberg, but if the Wings moved him, you're looking at a massive bidding war, unless Holland did him a solid and traded him to a particular team he wanted to go. Honestly, I imagine Z would fetch better return than Duchene would.

I like Zetterberg but I don't see many teams giving up more than they would for Duchene, it'd have to be a desperate team trying to get over the top against us, in that scenario only do I see it being the case. He would still fetch a pretty damn good return though, he's 36yrs old, I don't know if he plays out his contract though. Also, he's 37 before the season starts.

 

[66-30-33]

Pretty sure i remember reading Wings fans saying they can't trade Zetterberg without having to deal with cap penaltys.
Despres is done at hockey, he should just find something else.
Would love AA, he would be awesome here! but we got nothing to offer.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

AA plays on the Wings 4th line. Regularly.

 

[philchaka]

AA plays on the Wings 4th line. Regularly.

That is because Jeff Blashill is a moron.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

That is because Jeff Blashill is a moron.

Yup, it's also why I swoop in and scoop up Sheahan while his value is low and that idiot has misused him. He's going to get better when a better coach gets in there. I'd rather he did that with us.

He's the guy I target without losing a lot of assets.

 

[Riptide]

Maatta. And even then I'd probably say no if I'm Detroit. AA has some silly upside.

There's no way AA has done even remotely enough to acquire Maatta. He was on pace for 23g/37pts. Nice - especially from a rookie, but far from amazing, and certainly not worth a young top 4D.

 

[Riptide]

I love Zetterberg, but if the Wings moved him, you're looking at a massive bidding war, unless Holland did him a solid and traded him to a particular team he wanted to go. Honestly, I imagine Z would fetch better return than Duchene would.

Zero chance of that happening - even if he waived his NMC for any team. Duchene's age will still trump whatever difference in skill there is between him and Z.

 

[mpp9]

There's no way AA has done even remotely enough to acquire Maatta. He was on pace for 23g/37pts. Nice - especially from a rookie, but far from amazing, and certainly not worth a young top 4D.

Not saying it's fair value for us, but that's what I'm asking for if I'm the Wings and have needed a longterm solution for my top 4 for years.

AA would be bonkers with this team. I'd think about it.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

I'm surprised they haven't moved Zetterberg yet, I mean they should be focusing on the young guys like Larkin, Tatar, Mantha, etc.

 

[mpp9]

Simon Despres is at a point where the only thing he's getting from anyone is a camp invite. Probably a two-way deal where he might need to start in the A to demonstrate that he's durable enough to put some games together and prove he's not lost too much to be of use. Think Paul Ranger.


I love Zetterberg, but if the Wings moved him, you're looking at a massive bidding war, unless Holland did him a solid and traded him to a particular team he wanted to go. Honestly, I imagine Z would fetch better return than Duchene would.

He's turning 37 and has 4 years on his deal. I don't see him being a 6 mil player at 40. Plays the game too hard, too many miles and against the best players in the game every night.

Right now? He's a better overall player than Duchene, sure.

 

[mpp9]

Zero chance of that happening - even if he waived his NMC for any team. Duchene's age will still trump whatever difference in skill there is between him and Z.

I'd say Duchene's value is lessened by only having two years and Z's is because he has too many at too old of an age.

I'd agree that Duchene is more likely to return a high end young asset. You at least have him in his prime and the chance to extend him. Z is done in the near future.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Not saying it's fair value for us, but that's what I'm asking for if I'm the Wings and have needed a longterm solution for my top 4 for years.

AA would be bonkers with this team. I'd think about it.

For Maatta, I would want Svechnikov, AA, and Sheahan for him. I would even throw in a pick to see if they'd throw in Jensen.

 

[66-30-33]

For Maatta, I would want Svechnikov, AA, and Sheahan for him. I would even throw in a pick to see if they'd throw in Jensen.

AA and Rust would be quite the winger duo for line 3. Would need a really fast 3C to compliment them.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

AA and Rust would be quite the winger duo for line 3. Would need a really fast 3C to compliment them.

Funny enough, AA & Rusty can play C, I think both were drafted as C's as well, so if one can, you can throw together Hagelin-AA/Rust-AA/Rust.

Try keeping up with that line. But yeah, Haula would be immense there, quick kid.

 

[66-30-33]

Funny enough, AA & Rusty can play C, I think both were drafted as C's as well, so if one can, you can throw together Hagelin-AA/Rust-AA/Rust.

Try keeping up with that line. But yeah, Haula would be immense there, quick kid.

Just means when the 3C gets kicked out a C can replace him. I'm down for an AA-Haula-Rust 3rd line...speed for days! Then keep Hagelin-Malkin-Kessel as our 2nd line and G-Crosby-Hornqvist/Sheary.

Pens would have amazing AMAZING speed. Would catch teams flat footed many times. Sheary would probably get traded for a top 4 D though to replace Maatta.

 

[PensPlz]

No way Detroit trades their Captian right after moving into a new arena. Really bad optics.

Still rather have Staal than Duchene. But neither looks remotely possible.

 

[Riptide]

For Maatta, I would want Svechnikov, AA, and Sheahan for him. I would even throw in a pick to see if they'd throw in Jensen.

If we could get Jensen, Sheahan and one of AA/Svech that would be amazing and a huge win for us. Which is why I doubt it would happen.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

If we could get Jensen, Sheahan and one of AA/Svech that would be amazing and a huge win for us. Which is why I doubt it would happen.

First time missing the playoffs, they were desperate enough to sign Daley to a 3yr deal, I think Holland is looking to make it back to the playoffs.

I mean JR would have to add a small sweetener with Maatta, likely Kuhnhackl + Maatta + 4th (later pick).

What people should be hoping for if they want Duchene is for Zadorov to sign in the KHL, that would make Sakic desperate, Zads was probably his best player last year, losing him and that is a MAJOR hit to his defense, he might get desperate and the idea of Maatta to stabilize whatever he has and signs a guy for 1yr just to make sure they aren't embarrassed further, who knows.

Personally, I don't want Duchene, we lose Maatta and our defense gets worse.