Salary Cap: Salary Cap Summer Part 3

[BlackAndGold87]

Starting to think William Karlsson would be a good addition as a 3C. He's young and has room to grow.

Would a 2nd, plus 1 prospect get it done?

 

[Nakawick]

What is the sudden talk of Zadorov. Who are we trading for him?

 

[Penske]

What is the sudden talk of Zadorov. Who are we trading for him?

Obviously we are going to bring back Lovejoy then trade him for a good young upcoming D man.

 

[BlackAndGold87]

Penguins Have $2MM To Spend On Third Line Center

After losing Nick Bonino to Nashville in free agency, the Penguins have a vacancy to fill at their third line center position. In a reader chat, Sam Werner of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette noted that the team has only earmarked roughly $2MM towards filling that spot which will limit their options.

While the Pens have more than $10MM in cap space at the moment, most of that will be spent when they reach new deals with winger Conor Sheary and defenseman Brian Dumoulin, both of whom are expected to go through arbitration.

The remaining UFA market is largely weak down the middle aside from Mike Fisher (who isn’t expected to leave Nashville if he returns for another season). As things stand, Matt Cullen, Pittsburgh’s fourth line pivot this past season, is one of the more prominent names available. Accordingly, that spot is likely going to be filled via the trade market but it’s reasonable to expect that nothing much will happen on that front until they get their remaining restricted free agents re-signed first.

https://www.prohockeyrumors.com/2017/07/metropolitan-pittsburghs-quenneville.html

 

[Speaking Moistly]

Ideally he's looking to for that #2 or #1 LD depending on what he gets for Duchene so his defense can be:


Zadorov/New Guy, Johnson
New Guy/Zadorov, Barrie
Barberio, UFA - Watch it be Franson.

I mean, Maatta definitely would look like a huge help to that defense, hell Ruhwedel would as well, but I don't know if I want to pay up for Duchene. The longer I think about it, the less I am on board with the idea of Duchene and what we'd see this team giving up.

That's sadly what I was trying to say after the shot at Sakic.

I've been in the don't traded a D for an F camp for a long time. I wasn't comfortable with it before Letang's latest injury and now I'm firmly against it.

 

[Penske]

That's sadly what I was trying to say after the shot at Sakic.

I've been in the don't traded a D for an F camp for a long time. I wasn't comfortable with it before Letang's latest injury and now I'm firmly against it.

It's ok to trade a D for the right F then make a trade after to replace that D if at the end the teams better. Getting that D replacement right now is much harder since the decent FA's are gone.

 

[Riptide]

Starting to think William Karlsson would be a good addition as a 3C. He's young and has room to grow.

Would a 2nd, plus 1 prospect get it done?

Probably not. But he would make a great addition.

 

[Saints11]

This maybe a little "Blackhawkish", but, I would offer Simon Despres at least a PTO; or maybe a contract, providing he has all his medical clearances. I thought he did a good job in SoCal prior to the injuries. Again, Despres offers size at 6'4; and offers an experience depth d-man, if healthy.

 

[SHOOTANDSCORE]

I've developed a strategy for reading this thread.

1. Open thread
2. Read until I see the word Duchene
3. Close thread.

 

[Pick87your71Poison]

I've developed a strategy for reading this thread.

1. Open thread
2. Read until I see the word Duchene
3. Close thread.

That should save you a ******** of time!

 

[Pick87your71Poison]

What is the sudden talk of Zadorov. Who are we trading for him?

Well it is Sakic, so we should be able to pry him away for a couple firsts, Sprong, and Jarry if we throw in 87 or 71 so Sakic gets his sure thing in the deal too.

 

[Tender Rip]

What is the sudden talk of Zadorov.

Honor over Glory being nuts?
Yeah, I think that's basically it .

 

[BlackAndGold87]

Probably not. But he would make a great addition.

JC, if that is unlikely then I don't have a good feeling that the team will find a solid 3C.

There is some belief that Cullen coming back fills the 3C spot, and Imo can not happen.

 

[Riptide]

JC, if that is unlikely then I don't have a good feeling that the team will find a solid 3C.

There is some belief that Cullen coming back fills the 3C spot, and Imo can not happen.

Cullen might be coming back (I'm not holding my breath, but who knows), but if he does, it wouldn't be to fill the #3 spot, but the #4 spot.

 

[BlackAndGold87]

Cullen might be coming back (I'm not holding my breath, but who knows), but if he does, it wouldn't be to fill the #3 spot, but the #4 spot.

I agree he would be, but some believe(Not for a sec do I believe GMJR thinks this, mostly social media talk) he could handle the 3C role, and no way do I believe that would be a good idea. One injury and he's on the 2nd line if that was the case.

 

[JTG]

To spend more money on a 3C and if we were able to bring in a guy like Zadorov, Hagelin and Sheary would both be traded.

 

[froods]

I think he could babysit the 3C role for a month or two if need be. That's it though.

 

[froods]

To spend more money on a 3C and if we were able to bring in a guy like Zadorov, Hagelin and Sheary would both be traded.

At what point are you messing with the chemistry of a back to back Stanley Cup champion team? We have already lost several guys, although I would say somewhat positive attrition, but it is still a big change to the locker room. I think they need to be careful of how far they can push that.

 

[CanadianPensFan1]

At what point are you messing with the chemistry of a back to back Stanley Cup champion team? We have already lost several guys, although I would say somewhat positive attrition, but it is still a big change to the locker room. I think they need to be careful of how far they can push that.

There is indeed a fine line between not messing with chemistry and complacency.

I felt the pens didn't do enough last off season. It proved to me an unfounded opinion but it was a pretty good call at the time.

This year they have already made a few changes, as was said, by regular attrition.

The problem is that they aren't making changes for the sake of changes. They NEED a 3c and def won't win with rowney there (or anyone else in house). He'd be an "ok" 4c, if Cullen doesn't come back. But the 3c spot is vital to success. So if that means moving out hags to get one, you do it. Sheary .. depends on the return on the 3c

All that said, I agree with your overall point. It's a delicate balance.

 

[ColePens]

I was just thinking of a few teams who would need Penguin players and I see San Jose as really wanted a guy like Hags. I was looking over their salary cap/line up after listening to a reporter talk about how the team will look this year. They have cap space and the player described as a need to get for SJ was Hags perfectly.

So if a Center may come available from that squad, I think we make solid hockey trade partners.

 

[Penske]

There is indeed a fine line between not messing with chemistry and complacency.

I felt the pens didn't do enough last off season. It proved to me an unfounded opinion but it was a pretty good call at the time.

This year they have already made a few changes, as was said, by regular attrition.

The problem is that they aren't making changes for the sake of changes. They NEED a 3c and def won't win with rowney there (or anyone else in house). He'd be an "ok" 4c, if Cullen doesn't come back. But the 3c spot is vital to success. So if that means moving out hags to get one, you do it. Sheary .. depends on the return on the 3c

All that said, I agree with your overall point. It's a delicate balance.

Hagelin's trade value won't bring back a 3C. Hags will provide more value to us than what he'd bring back in a trade.

 

[OnMyOwn]

I still only move hags if we need to. No sense in dumping him just to do it. He's basically what our identity is. He'll rebound this year and he's big on the pk...we lost a few of those in FA this year already.

 

[ColePens]

I still only move hags if we need to. No sense in dumping him just to do it. He's basically what our identity is. He'll rebound this year and he's big on the pk...we lost a few of those in FA this year already.

10000% agree and have stated that many times. Unless the right hockey trade is there. Because realistically we don't 100% have the luxury of paying 4M to a bottom 6 winger like Hags. Right now we do, but if we wanted to bolster a certain position or re-sign someone like Horny, we may not have that luxury.

Similar to MAF last year. It worked out perfectly in a sense that we ended up with cap space due to unfortunate injuries to keep the luxury of having two #1 goalies. But it was a luxury nonetheless that wasn't a realistic long term possibility. Similar to Hags @ 4m but not playing in a top 6 role.

Has to be a hockey trade, though.

 

[Peat]

Probably not. But he would make a great addition.

2 2nds doesn't look an unusual price for a 3C - 2nd and prospect is in the right price point there.

 

[LastWordArmy]

The Pittsburgh Penguins still don’t have a third line center after Nick Bonino went to Nashville, but they still have plenty of time during this Penguins off-season. Penguins general manager Jim Rutherford said he’s going to keep being patient with this as he wants to make a good trade, not just a panic one. There are some good options out there for their third line center role so let’s take a look at a few of them.

http://lastwordonhockey.com/2017/07/21/pittsburgh-penguins-targets-third-line-center/