Salary Cap: Salary Cap & Roster Building: The Uncoachable & The Unmovable: The Tale of The American Dream

[Tom Hanks]

Does that make him a good coach or a guy Phil likes?

Also potentially a difference in how you act when your an assistant vs the man on charge.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

I'm still pretty adamant that this team's issues will take more than one off-season to fix. The best course of action this summer may just end up being the subtractions of Phil, JJ and Maatta.

I'm zero-percent interested in signing guys like Zuccarello or Johansson. They'll get too much money and too much term for guys their age/caliber.

I'd rather just make no additions if we can't find one that makes sense now, as well as moving forward.

 

[Lomez]

Alarms should be ringing that nobody wants this supposedly elite winger.

Not sure we really know this; maybe after the finals are over and before 7/1 we have a better sense?

Bjugstad is so vanilla. I sure hope he's in play.

Not sure what "vanilla" means. His other underlying stats are pretty decent, for the price and the role he can play, he's not bad value.

Whats with this hagelin talk, all he does is skate fast. Zero offense and we have enough bottom 6 players. At 2mil i politely tell him to go somewhere else. At league mininum we can talk...

The Nordic Rica Fata. Love'em.

 

[Riptide]

Whats with this hagelin talk, all he does is skate fast. Zero offense and we have enough bottom 6 players. At 2mil i politely tell him to go somewhere else. At league mininum we can talk...

He does a tad more than "just skate fast". And him at 2m would be a steal, and something we should do if it's at all possible and we can afford it cap wise. Hagelin as a depth player is a good piece to have. The issue is when you need him on L2 to make up for Kessel's short comings. When Hagelin is producing at a 35/40pt pace, it's not an issue... when he's producing at a 15pt pace, it's an issue. However his lack of offense ceases to be as much of a problem as it was previously if he's only costing 2m and you can bury him on L4.

 

[Riptide]

Our best bets to fix the top-6 are Duchene and Skinner.

You need to get off of this train. Duchene isn't coming here unless we can give him the 2C spot. Skinner isn't coming here at all. Neither is Panarin. Once you get over that hump, reality should be a lot kinder to you.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

For the amount of love Bonino (rightfully) gets, Bjugstad gets way too much undeserved hate. They're the same caliber 3rd line center.

Bjugstad's got a higher offensive ceiling, Bonino's a bit better defensively. All in all, they're pretty damn close to equal in terms of quality, and value.

We just took two years and a dozen assets to fix the hole left by Bonino's departure. Why in the world people want to keep messing with that role is beyond me, especially with all the other glaring issues.

Tinkering with Bjugstad is a thing you do when Geno has wingers, we've removed Phil/JJ/Maatta, and found a better LD for Schultz.

 

[Turin]

Hagelin was pretty awesome for Washington and was pretty easily the Penguins best defensive forward. He should be brought back, he shouldn’t have been traded in the first place, and the team knows it.

 

[DeadPuckEra]

If they absolutely have to get Phil away from this team... just use him as a payment for someone to take on JJ.

I mean, what would you rather have... a lukewarm bottom 6 player or two for Kessel or a JJ free D core and some picks or prospects AND significant cap space?

Use the money coming off the cap in free agency. That’s a hell of a lot of money.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

I hated and utterly rejected the idea of using Phil as a vehicle to rid ourselves of JJ, but if the only deal out there was the Zucker one, which Phil has already rejected, then it may be our best option.

We'd be hearing a lot more noise if there were other deals out there, I think. There's way too big a microscope on this saga for it to be this quiet.

 

[Turin]

For the amount of love Bonino (rightfully) gets, Bjugstad gets way too much undeserved hate. They're the same caliber 3rd line center.

Bjugstad's got a higher offensive ceiling, Bonino's a bit better defensively. All in all, they're pretty damn close to equal in terms of quality, and value.

We just took two years and a dozen assets to fix the hole left by Bonino's departure. Why in the world people want to keep messing with that role is beyond me, especially with all the other glaring issues.

Tinkering with Bjugstad is a thing you do when Geno has wingers, we've removed Phil/JJ/Maatta, and found a better LD for Schultz.

Bonino is probably just a better fit. I doubt you’ll see Bjugstad blocking 20 pucks a game and taking all the Dzone draws.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Bonino is probably just a better fit. I doubt you’ll see Bjugstad blocking 20 pucks a game and taking all the Dzone draws.

That's fair, and far more reasonable a take. I still don't think it's an issue you worry about until several other moves are made though.

 

[DeadPuckEra]

I hated and utterly rejected the idea of using Phil as a vehicle to rid ourselves of JJ, but if the only deal out there was the Zucker one, which Phil has already rejected, then it may be our best option.

We'd be hearing a lot more noise if there were other deals out there, I think. There's way too big a microscope on this saga for it to be this quiet.

I don’t like it either but their hands are tied.

Tell Arizona they can have him for their 1st and some middling prospects. They have to take JJ too, no retaining on either.

It’s a hell of a lot better than getting some third line, and/or misfit who will probably only exasperate this teams issues - so that Rutherford can say he “got something” for Kessel.

Time to cut our losses. Won’t even be bad considering all the money they will have to play with on 7/1

 

[Coastal Kev]

McCann-Crosby-Rust
Guentzel-Malkin-Zucker
Simon-Bjugstad-Hornqvist
Johnson-Blueger-ZAR
Wilson

Dumoulin-Letang
Maatta-Schultz
Pettersson-Gudbranson
Riikola-Ruhwedel

Murray-DeSmith

fits with about $1.5M in cap space.

Excuse while I clean the puke from my laptop....

You do realize that nearly same lineup almost missed the playoffs and was swept by an extremely average Isles team.... SWEPT

note: Image provided for emphasis

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

I don’t like it either but their hands are tied.

Tell Arizona they can have him for their 1st and some middling prospects. They have to take JJ too, no retaining on either.

It’s a hell of a lot better than getting some third line, and/or misfit who will probably only exasperate this teams issues - so that Rutherford can say he “got something” for Kessel.

Time to cut our losses. Won’t even be bad considering all the money they will have to play with on 7/1

The issue is that Phil may be open to Arizona, but Arizona isn't interested at all (allegedly).

 

[Malkinstheman]

Our only hope at this point seems to be that Zucker isnt traded to someone else. JR probably goes back to Phil after the draft and says Minnesota is the best you'll get.

 

[Tom Hanks]

Hagelin was pretty awesome for Washington and was pretty easily the Penguins best defensive forward. He should be brought back, he shouldn’t have been traded in the first place, and the team knows it.

JR wanted to bring Hagelin back when we were able to cap wise. He just didn’t know you couldn’t with retention.

Not sure if that was his plan from the start. Get Pearson hope he rebounds add some scoring and then get Hagelin back for a pick later on when we were cap compliant (he’d know LA was going to move Hags before the deadline).

 

[Coastal Kev]

Phil > Zucker

 

[Riptide]

Phil > Zucker

Not with the "I don't give a shit" attitude he's been playing with for the past 12 months.

 

[pensfan71]

Phil > Zucker

Phil who wants to be here and is wanted>>Zucker>>>>>>Phil who doesn't want to be here and is not going to be catered to

 

[Coastal Kev]

How many teams WANT Phil to play for them? Boston didn't. Toronto didn't. Team USA didn't. But sure, Sully is who we should be concerned about. One guy on his team who's provided evidence to the masses that he's selfish (iron man streak / unwillingness to put an effort on L3), and has probably provided clear cut evidence to the organization (rumored practice attitude) that he's not willing to change his style for anyone is the victim in all of this.



So our team - who were abysmal defensively (as a team) -tell arguably the best defensive forward in hockey (dollar for dollar) to go pound sand at 2M? You take that deal and RUN. Game is more than just icing forwards who can shoot the puck. Now, we don't need an entire roster full of guys who can't shoot - but right now this team has enough guys who can put up 15+ goals and a severe shortage of guys willing to play hard + make a difference doing so.

Who was that Coach for TEAM USA again???? John Tortorella....??? The same meathead that's besties with our Meathead Coach???

One more thing, How did that TEAM USA perform without Kessel under Coach Meathead???

Victory is sweet....

 

[Turin]

The issue is that Phil may be open to Arizona, but Arizona isn't interested at all (allegedly).

It’s not that they’re not at all interested it’s just that they’re not interested in being at all fair about it.

 

[Jag68Sid87]

If they feel their hands are tied, then untie them. A bad trade is worse than a bad room.

A couple of other thoughts:

- could Toronto be a fit for Jack Johnson? They really have a lot of holes on defense if we subtract Gardiner, Hainsey, Zaitsev and Dermott (for half the season, likely). Dubas is an analytics guy but Babcock loves Jack Johnson-type defensemen, historically. He would basically replace Hainsey. I wonder if they would be the team to accept Johnson for a seventh rounder in 2022 or something.

- I think we should be in on Jesse Puljujarvi. Not as a Phil Kessel replacement (not in 2019-20 anyway), but as a young player who is currently injured who is probably better than any of our current prospects. Adding him to the roster pool, without necessarily putting a timetable on when he can help us, would be an interesting move. I don't know what the Oilers would want for him, but I suspect the Holland-Tippett Oilers want to win now, turn their fortunes around as quickly as possible and surround McDavid and Draisaitl with veterans. Would the Oilers do Hornqvist and DeSmith/Jarry for Puljujarvi and 8th overall? I would settle for DeSmith and Horny for Puljujarvi and Edm's 2nd rounder if the 8th overall was off the table.

If we were to make these two moves, we could save almost $10 million on the cap without forcing a bad trade involving Kessel. Puljujarvi would start the season almost suredly on LTIR. We would have a hole on the wing but we would have cap space to try to fill it. And, the hole would not be as big as the hole we would be creating if we traded Kessel.

Obviously, it takes two to make a trade. I get that. I just think these are the types of moves we should be looking at making, instead of forcing a trade of one of our better players.

 

[Turin]

A hypothetical winger scenario of
Guentzel
Zucker
Hornqvist
McCann
Rust
Hagelin
Simon

Vs

Kessel
Hornqvist
Hagelin
Sheary
Rust
Kunitz

Pretty good tbh.

 

[SherogoesHAM]

I'll give it a go:

Phil/Schultz for Subban
Maatta for Miles Wood
Bjugstad/Johnson(maybe a combo deal to get rid of Johnson) for a prospect or pick
sign Hags for 2years 2mil per

Jake-Sid-McCann 15.95
Hagelin-Malkin-Horn 16.8
Wood-Blueger-Rust 7.25
Simon - Palvi - Adam J. 2.25

Dumo - Letang - 11.35
Pett - Subban - 11
Riikola - Gudbranson 4.85
Ruh .700

Murray - Desmith - 5.00

~75.15

younger, faster, more hungry, better top 4D(can shelter riik/gud). this team would have great passing ability and speed. also have the cap space and flexibility to grab someone at the deadline.

 

[domaug]

It’s not that they’re not at all interested it’s just that they’re not interested in being at all fair about it.

apparently that's "baseless" to say on the trade board. i wasted two hours of my life talking about that rumor with an angry Coyotes fan who didn't think Chayka had the capacity to play hardball with anyone.