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[cheesedanish87]

If JR is looking for another center and more production out of the forward lines it would make sense to me that a major shakeup trade would have to be a def for a forward.

If your trading a forward for a forward i'm not sure how much that will help you get more production.

 

[Ryder71]

JR basically saying most of what he said to Mackey.
Said he waived McKegg to see what he has on the farm.
Believes the roster as is should get better results but if they slip further out of the hunt/get further away from 1st in the Metro, he'll be forced to shake things up.
Also mentioned he's looking forward to seeing more of what he has on the farm and Billy Guerin, working with Donatelli, ultimately make the decision on who should move up/is ready for an NHL spin.

Some other things i caught:

-team misses MAF's in the room/play and he also mentioned Bones and Cullen specifically on that front.
-that they get spurts of good play out of this roster but simply not consistent enough over 3 periods every night

Regardless of how we're doing he should be pursuing a 3c in earnest anyhow. Which by all accounts he is. When we won four in a row it helped bide some time. nonetheless I'm sure there is a sense of urgency. And if we're gonna make a big move, Letang is obviously gonna command the biggest return. If JR can swing it, go big or go home!

 

[Empoleon8771]

If JR is looking for another center and more production out of the forward lines it would make sense to me that a major shakeup trade would have to be a def for a forward.

If your trading a forward for a forward i'm not sure how much that will help you get more production.

It makes sense if the Penguins think that Simon can be a contributor in a top-9 role immediately. If the Penguins could replace Sheary with Simon, trading Sheary for a 3C makes sense.

 

[WayneSid9987]

Also, listening to that segment to see if i missed anything, JR keeps calling Tristan Jarry, Christian/Christan.

Oh yea, another thing JR mentioned was he believes if the cap jumps up to 80 there will be more teams who simply can't spend to the cap except for the big market ones. Like theres already teams who have internal caps but there will be more...

 

[HandshakeLine]

Also, listening to that segment to see if i missed anything, JR keeps calling Tristan Jarry, Christian/Christan.

All them 鬼佬 look the same anyhow.

 

[Ryder71]

Also, listening to that segment to see if i missed anything, JR keeps calling Tristan Jarry, Christian/Christan.

If you were older than dirt you to might have issues pronouncing names.

 

[pistolpete11]

If JR is looking for another center and more production out of the forward lines it would make sense to me that a major shakeup trade would have to be a def for a forward.

If your trading a forward for a forward i'm not sure how much that will help you get more production.

Hagelin for a more offensive-minded player would help you get more production. Although, as others have said, he probably doesn't have much value right now so it would have to be for another guy who's struggling.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Next little while? When? When the team is completely out of the playoffs and has an interesting hill to climb? Flyers had a lengthy losing streak and is 4pts behind. JR waiting, would have made sense 2 weeks ago. At this point in time, just seems stupid.

Either shit, or get off the pot old man.

 

[cheesedanish87]

It makes sense if the Penguins think that Simon can be a contributor in a top-9 role immediately. If the Penguins could replace Sheary with Simon, trading Sheary for a 3C makes sense.

I guess its possible, but i don't see Sheary getting traded, left wing is already a weakness on this team, i don't think they can afford to trade one of their best left wingers unless another left winger is coming back in the trade.

Trading one of your 4 left handed def makes a lot more sense to me

Maatta
Dumoulin
Cole
Hunwick

I don't know what JR definition of major shake up trade is, but mine would be Maatta or Dumoulin from those 4 players.

 

[SEALBound]

Despite what peeps will say about TIOPS, targeting Pouliot does make sense to me.
Ultimately, like i've been saying JR wants a beef up @ LW and a 3C with Hags and one D of their chosing gone eventually to comfortably pay Horny.

A 1:1, yeah it makes sense. I would have to see a plus on Hags in order to make a decision if Botts won't do 1:1.

If Haula is available because GMGM has a crush on Cole, I explore that. I stay the **** out of trying to go for Duchene.

Oh 100% explore that. Haula would be a major asset to bring in.

Interesting...
GRENADEEEEE! Heh.

Can this be "the signal"? Like when we think it's about to happen...we post Grenaaaaaaaaaaaaaade! in some form?

You know what...I'm not even asking or calling for a vote...that's what we're doing. Get on board.

I think an excellent comparable for Hagelin's value is what Colin Wilson was traded for over the summer, which was a 2019 4th round pick. Wilson was a lot better last year than Hagelin so far this year, but Hagelin also has the cup rings and defensive play on his side and the Predators likely undersold Wilson in an effort to quickly get cap space. He has borderline no value, but he could be traded for another struggling guy that has borderline no value.

Too tough to gauge values from last summer due to the expansion draft. I do believe Colin Wilson is worth more than a 4th. I think the number of teams that were available to make that move were limited. Wilson for Hagelin would be an equal value trade.

Does anyone know if Pageau has ever played any wing during his career? I was thinking of something along the lines of Letang for Pageau, Brassard and a first and then maybe Sprong, Jarry, Hagelin and picks for OEL

You get Pageau here and I think he could work at any position. Another major score.

It makes sense if the Penguins think that Simon can be a contributor in a top-9 role immediately. If the Penguins could replace Sheary with Simon, trading Sheary for a 3C makes sense.

With a number of younger guys in WBS still, I think they could safely do that. It better be a major 3C though like Pageau.

Jake-Sid-Simon
Rust-Malkin-Kessel
Hags-Pageau-Horny
Kuhn-Sheahn-Rowney

More ideally, Sprong in for Hags, Hags replaces Kuhn.

 

[WayneSid9987]

Next little while? When? When the team is completely out of the playoffs and has an interesting hill to climb? Flyers had a lengthy losing streak and is 4pts behind. JR waiting, would have made sense 2 weeks ago. At this point in time, just seems stupid.

Either ****, or get off the pot old man.

I mean, i think he'd make a trade right this second if he could but just calling a GM and saying, "hey, i want/like this guy." leads to "he's not available." or a call back saying "we'd be interested in this and this(something JR wouldn't be willing to pay atm)." and the dance goes back and forth as the season rolls along to the TDL.

 

[Ryder71]

Either ****, or get off the pot old man.

When you're that old you'll be on the pot quite a lot. He literally may not be able to get off it, true story.

 

[cheesedanish87]

Sens are really weak at Left D, i mean they got Johnny Oduya playing with Karlsson last time i checked.

Sens are pretty deep at center, Duchene Brassard Pageau Smith Thompson.

I could definitely see how a Dumoulin/Maatta for Brassard/Pageau trade helps both teams.

 

[justafan22]

Brassard from the sens makes sense honestly. sheary+ cole??

 

[Shaffer]

Dumoulin+Sheary for Pageau+Ceci+pick

 

[WayneSid9987]

I'm bigger on Brassard and Smith than Pageau. Great support player but need more size/jam that i believe the others provide more. Going further, i'd say Brassard would be the C i'd want...

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Next little while? When? When the team is completely out of the playoffs and has an interesting hill to climb? Flyers had a lengthy losing streak and is 4pts behind. JR waiting, would have made sense 2 weeks ago. At this point in time, just seems stupid.

Either ****, or get off the pot old man.

Says the guy taking a dump while reading Hfboards on his iPad...

 

[Empoleon8771]

Brassard would be an excellent catch, but I don't think that would work out with either assets or cap space. It's not unmanageable though, it is possible to afford him. It just wouldn't be very easy.

I think Sheary for Pageau would probably be easier to work out, to be honest. I'm not comfortable moving either Dumoulin or Maatta for Brassard, Maatta is too young for me to move for a 30 year old Brassard and Dumoulin is too important to the defense.

Edit: If I'm trading Maatta, I want someone like ROR back. That's something I'd do instantly.

 

[NMK11]

Maybe Jiggy can answer this best, but for anyone who watches wbs, does Simon have a preferred wing? Hes here as a RW but I swore he was more of a LW in camp.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Brassard from the sens makes sense honestly. sheary+ cole??

Hagelin, Cole + 2nd for Brassard and Dzingel is sexier.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Just for laughs, Maatta, Sheary and a 2018 1st to Buffalo for ROR. Does either team do this?

 

[Ryder71]

Kirk mentioned it before, but does OTT really want to deal with us? I suspect the only way they would if it's for a massive over payment.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Says the guy taking a dump while reading Hfboards on his iPad...

Listen, I said you can watch me on webcam only if you stayed quiet, we had a deal and I feel betrayed.

Last time I trust someone, I'll be returning your payment of Ho Ho's and Wagon Wheels shortly, sans a few packages.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Kirk mentioned it before, but does OTT really want to deal with us? I suspect the only way they would if it's a massive over payment.

As long as we have that report by Pittsburgh CSI of Cooke's hatched up plan to maim Karlsson, we have a chance.

 

[Ryder71]

Just for laughs, Maatta, Sheary and a 2018 1st to Buffalo for ROR. Does either team do this?

Too many good assets, plus ROR makes 7.5 mil per, too much for a 3c.