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[MtlPenFan]

They are. Imo. Kopitar has had to carry meh wingers most hia career and is still near a PPG. He's a better Bergeron. Sorry that I value Defense and availability. Malkins 2 more points this year don't make up for Kopitars defense and facing the toughest matchups night in and night out.

Look at Kopitars Zone starts. He doesn't get 70% Ozone starts like Malkin.

You think Kopitar wins a Conn Smythe and scores 35 points in a playoff run with Fedetenko and Talbot flanking him?

 

[PensandCaps]

You think Kopitar wins a Conn Smythe and scores 35 points in a playoff run with Fedetenko and Talbot flanking him?

He lead his team in points in both cup runs.

 

[PensandCaps]

I remember before the season. I said Kucherov was the best Russian in the league. Got called crazy and that Geno was better. Hmmm. Looks like i wasn't wrong.

 

[Ryder71]

I value that Kopitar stayed healthy and yah know, plays elite defense. And carries scrub wingers.

Right now would i trade Kopitar for Malkin? No, easily.

Both are equal players BUT Malkin has a cheaper cap hit.

Koptiar is a very good all around player, but he's not on Geno's level, and it's really not all that close.

 

[WheresRamziAbid]

I remember before the season. I said Kucherov was the best Russian in the league. Got called crazy and that Geno was better. Hmmm. Looks like i wasn't wrong.

When Kucherov does this for a decade we can add him to the conversation.

 

[Saints11]

....Wow.

If we can get OEL, everyone in our line-up outside of Crosby, Kesse, and Malkin is able to be moved.

Also, have you ever watch OEL?

Yes, quite often. I would stick with Maatta defensively, offensively is another story. Keep in mind, OEL is talking Doughty-Karlsson signing numbers.

 

[Gurglesons]

I remember before the season. I said Kucherov was the best Russian in the league. Got called crazy and that Geno was better. Hmmm. Looks like i wasn't wrong.

If we are going off stats like that is Kessel the best American in the league?

 

[MtlPenFan]

He lead his team in points in both cup runs.

What's that have to do with your original point claiming Kopitar plays with scrap?

 

[Gurglesons]

Yes, quite often. I would stick with Maatta defensively, offensively is another story. Keep in mind, OEL is talking Doughty-Karlsson signing numbers.

I mean, contract wise who cares? If you get OEL for a package around Maatta (which will never happen) you can have a top four of Dumo - Letang / OEL - Schultz for the next two years.

 

[bigG]

Can we shut up about Kopitar? He's irrelevant to this thread.

 

[Speaking Moistly]

What about Kopitar as 3C?!

 

[vikingGoalie]

can JR retract that statement about not trading Letang?
I was willing to buy into the whole, was off for a while, difficult scheduling, need time to find his game, etc, etc. Ok that's all in the past now.
I'm sure Martin and Gonchar are in his ear all the time. Is he just uncoachable? Just a gifted imbicle?
I felt previously we'd lose out if we traded letang, now, not so sure. Oil is out of it. Send Letang for Hopkins (assuming Hopkin's injury isn't to bad). I might drive him to Edmonton myself.
There is no doubt that an on top of his game Letang is a game changer for us.
The problem is he has been a game changer far to often in a negative way this year.

Really I would far rather see Letang just get his act together, but I'm losing hope that that is going to happen and before he loses ALL value perhaps we should be trading him.

 

[Riptide]

can JR retract that statement about not trading Letang?
I was willing to buy into the whole, was off for a while, difficult scheduling, need time to find his game, etc, etc. Ok that's all in the past now.

Really I would far rather see Letang just get his act together, but I'm losing hope that that is going to happen and before he loses ALL value perhaps we should be trading him.

Even if he did retract that statement... the odds of a Letang trade making the team better in season is almost certainly zilch. Perhaps it's something that can be re-addressed in the summer, but given how many moves we'd have to make to try and replace what he should be bringing... it would be hard as f*** and expensive to do (cap/assets). I honestly think that the team overall is much better off hanging onto him and going into next season with him in the hopes that he can get back to where he was last year before he got hurt.

 

[MtlPenFan]

Gifted imbecile is a good way to put it, and I have a fun hypothetical to play with.

Give Olli Letang's physical gifts, and he becomes an automatic top 5 defenseman in the League. Even before vastly improving his skating this year, Olli became a legit top 2nd pairing defenseman despite his poor skating using nothing more than his brains.

I know this'll be a hit with some of the cool kids, but if you give Letang Olli's physical shortcomings, is he even in the NHL?

 

[Riptide]

I know this'll be a hit with some of the cool kids, but if you give Letang Olli's physical shortcomings, is he even in the NHL?

3rd pairing guy due to his ability to move the puck, RD and not being small. But nothing special.

 

[NMK11]

What about Kopitar as 3C?!

It would probably only take Cole, Sheary, and maybe a late pick. Get on the phone and do your job, old man.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

You think Kopitar wins a Conn Smythe and scores 35 points in a playoff run with Fedetenko and Talbot flanking him?

Remember when Malkin was a rookie and so was Kopitar and this board (I was a lurker at the time) said Kopitar would be the far superior player and they already felt he was at that point? Then we all laughed.

Kopitar is awesome though.

 

[Riptide]

It would probably only take Cole, Sheary, and maybe a late pick. Get on the phone and do your job, old man.

Too expensive for a 3C. Can't afford a 10m cap hit there. Also kinda old.

 

[Ogrezilla]

At least Hagelin playing well makes our situation better. Either he's more attractive in a trade, or we are less worried about adding a LW.

 

[Riptide]

At least Hagelin playing well makes our situation better. Either he's more attractive in a trade, or we are less worried about adding a LW.

Given how he's been playing, I don't think I would trade him. But I'd still be looking for a gritty LW.

 

[Speaking Moistly]

Gifted imbecile is a good way to put it, and I have a fun hypothetical to play with.

Give Olli Letang's physical gifts, and he becomes an automatic top 5 defenseman in the League. Even before vastly improving his skating this year, Olli became a legit top 2nd pairing defenseman despite his poor skating using nothing more than his brains.

I know this'll be a hit with some of the cool kids, but if you give Letang Olli's physical shortcomings, is he even in the NHL?

I don’t think Letang is as stupid as we often paint him to be, tbh. He’s not a high IQ player but he’s not completely moronic. Letang’s mind in Maatta's body with his worst skating? Maybe bottom pairing because Maatta isn’t bereft of physical tools and Letang isn’t brain dead. Letang’s brain in a body like Scuderi’s wouldn’t be an nhl player. Likewise I doubt Maatta’s IQ could compensate enough for Scuderi’s physical tools in the current nhl.

 

[Gurglesons]

Given how he's been playing, I don't think I would trade him. But I'd still be looking for a gritty LW.

Trade him every day of the week. This team needs the cap next year for a player without the miles.

 

[Speaking Moistly]

Given how he's been playing, I don't think I would trade him. But I'd still be looking for a gritty LW.

I think it’s a question of if he righted the ship or if it’s a mirage. If he’s not really right again trade him while you can.

 

[Andy99]

The greatness of Jonathan Toews is one of the biggest myths ever pushed upon hockey fans.

If Toews was Slovenian, he'd be making $3 million and be in trade discussions to Buffalo for a 2nd or 3rd round pick....

 

[HandshakeLine]

3rd pairing guy due to his ability to move the puck, RD and not being small. But nothing special.

I totally misread this as you saying Olli would be out of the league and thought I had a stroke for a second.