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All figures are cap numbers, not salaries.
2017-18 salary ceiling$75,000,000
Projected dollars committed
74,104,591​
Projected LTIR Used
1,225​
Approximate cap space
$896,634
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PITTSBURGH PENGUINS

Forward..................................
Pos.
Age
..........2017-18
..........2018-19
..........2019-20
Evgeni Malkin
C​
31​
9,500,000​
9,500,000​
9,500,000​
Sidney Crosby
C​
30​
8,700,000​
8,700,000​
8,700,000​
Phil Kessel
RW​
29​
6,800,000​
6,800,000​
6,800,000​
Patric Hornqvist
RW​
30​
4,250,000​
UFA
Carl Hagelin
LW​
29​
4,000,000​
4,000,000​
UFA
Conor Sheary
LW​
25​
3,000,000​
3,000,000​
3,000,000​
Riley Sheahan
C​
25​
2,075,000​
RFA
Ryan Reaves
RW​
30​
1,125,000​
UFA
Jake Guentzel
LW​
22​
734,167​
734,167​
RFA
Dominik Simon
C/RW​
23​
692,500​
RFA
Bryan Rust
RW​
25​
640,000​
RFA
Tom Kuhnhackl
LW​
25​
625,000​
RFA
Carter Rowney
C​
28​
612,500​
UFA
Defense
Pos.
Age
2017-18
2018-19
2019-20
Kris Letang
D​
30​
7,250,000​
7,250,000​
7,250,000​
Justin Schultz
D​
27​
5,500,000​
5,500,000​
5,500,000​
Brian Dumoulin
D​
26​
4,100,000​
4,100,000​
4,100,000​
Olli Maatta
D​
23​
4,083,333​
4,083,333​
4,083,333​
Matt Hunwick
D​
32​
2,250,000​
2,250,000​
2,250,000​
Ian Cole
D​
28​
2,100,000​
UFA
Jamie Oleksiak
D​
25​
964,688​
RFA
Chad Ruhwedel
D​
27​
650,000​
650,000​
UFA
Goalie
Pos.
Age
2017-18
2018-19
2019-20
Matt Murray
G​
23​
3,750,000​
3,750,000​
3,750,000​
Tristan Jarry
G​
22​
630,833​
RFA
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WILKES-BARRE/SCRANTON PENGUINS
Forward..................................
Pos.
Age
..........2017-18
..........2018-19
..........2019-20
Zach Aston-Reese
LW​
23​
925,000​
925,000​
RFA
Adam Johnson
C​
23​
925,000​
925,000​
RFA
Thomas Di Pauli
C​
23​
742,500​
RFA
Freddie Tiffels
LW​
22​
742,500​
742,500​
RFA
Sam Miletic
LW​
20​
710,000​
710,000​
710,000​
Teddy Blueger
C​
23​
705,000​
RFA
Daniel Sprong
RW​
20​
692,500​
RFA
Jean-Sebastien Dea
C​
23​
650,000​
RFA
Garrett Wilson
LW​
24​
650,000​
650,000​
UFA
Greg McKegg
C​
25​
650,000​
RFA
Tom Sestito
LW​
29​
650,000​
UFA
Defense
Pos.
Age
2017-18
2018-19
2019-20
Andrey Pedan
D​
24​
750,000​
RFA
Jeff Taylor
D​
23​
742,500​
742,500​
RFA
Ethan Prow
D​
24​
730,000​
RFA
Lukas Bengtsson
D​
24​
705,000​
RFA
Frank Corrado
D​
24​
650,000​
RFA
Jarred Tinordi
D​
25​
650,000​
RFA
Zach Trotman
D​
27​
650,000​
UFA
Kevin Czuczman
D​
26​
650,000​
UFA
Chris Summers
D​
29​
650,000​
650,000​
UFA
Goalie
Pos.
Age
2017-18
2018-19
2019-20
Sean Maguire
G​
25​
705,000​
RFA
Casey DeSmith
G​
25​
675,000​
675,000​
UFA
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SIGNED PROSPECTS
Player
Pos.
Age
Current team
Contract
Filip Gustavsson
G​
19​
Lulea HF (SHL)​
3 years/775,833 per​
Alex D'Orio
G​
18​
Saint John (QMJHL)​
3 years/716,667 per​
Jordy Bellerive
C​
18​
Lethbridge (WHL)​
3 years/716,667 per​
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UNSIGNED PROSPECTS

Player
Pos.
Age
Current team
Niclas Almari
D​
19​
HPK (Liiga)
Anthony Angello
F​
21​
Cornell (ECAC)
Dane Birks
D​
21​
Michigan Tech (WCHA)
Kasper Bjorkqvist
F​
19​
Providence (HEA)
Jan Drozg
F​
18​
Shawinigan (QMJHL)
Connor Hall
D​
19​
Kitchener (OHL)
Ryan Jones
D​
21​
Nebraska-Omaha (NCHC)
Sam Lafferty
F​
22​
Brown (ECAC)
Zachary Lauzon
D​
18​
Rouyn-Noranda (QMJHL)
Joe Masonius
D​
20​
Connecticut (HEA)
Linus Olund
F​
20​
Brynas IF (SHL)
Antti Palojarvi
D​
18​
Lukko U20 (SML Jr.A)
Nikita Pavlychev
F​
20​
Penn State (Big Ten)
Clayton Phillips
D​
17​
Fargo (USHL)
Will Reilly
D​
19​
RPI (ECAC)
Dominik Uher
C​
24​
HC Sparta Praha (ELH)
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DegenX

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There's a reason I didn't copy over the last 10 or so posts like I usually do. Play nice. Agree to disagree if you must, but get along or get along.
 
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Re 66-30-33's post in the last thread -

"We are winning, so back to buyers instead of sellers?"


I think that oddly winning has reversed things. Winning has been accomplished with some new guys that now give us more NHL roster guys than we have places for - making a sell at D and W look logical possibilities - and also with some partnerships that make some demands maybe look a bit old. For example, if Hagelin-Malkin-Horny is for real, then maybe we don't need a physical left winger to play with Geno - Horny is plenty physical and Hagelin is scoring. Bit early to say that's definitely the case, but I'm less set on the idea than I was.

The only thing we definitely need to buy is 3C. Jake the Snake is now the only Pen to not have a point this year. Well, him and One Game Rowney.
 
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Re 66-30-33's post in the last thread -

"We are winning, so back to buyers instead of sellers?"

I think that oddly winning has reversed things. Winning has been accomplished with some new guys that now give us more NHL roster guys than we have places for - making a sell at D and W look logical possibilities

The only thing we definitely need to buy is 3C. Jake the Snake is now the only Pen to not have a point this year. Well, him and One Game Rowney.

Yep. There is a point there.
I'm thinking it premature to crown Simon and Sprong as Sid's eternal partners in crime, or even playoff roster players, but I do believe it is obvious that a 3C coming in would make Guentzel a top6 winger again, and that Rust is definitely in the top9.

So... IF Simon was to be considered a keeper, and his low cost and evident ability would make that very appealing, I think the odd man out has to be Sheary. I think it will be a lot easier to deal Hags in the off-season if required, and I'd prefer to have his speed, penalty killing and overall defensive acumen in the playoffs.

While my current preference is Plekanec on the relative cheap as I think he fits and will provide just about exactly what we need, is there a hockey trade out there for a more enticing 3C for Sheary and Cole? Preferably in the West.... Hmmm.
 

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We still have to find a respectable 3C. We can’t let a four game hot streak allow us to forget the prior 40 games or so. Get Jake back in the top 6, keep Sheahan on the 4th line and find an upgrade for Kuhnhackl. Offer Buffalo a 4th or something for Pouliot. Do whatever has to be done to keep Rowney and Kuhn in the press box when we are fully healthy. Make that fourth line good again.
 

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I don't know what to do with Simon. On one hand, he's playing extremely well with Crosby and looks to be showing he's a legitimate NHL player. On the other hand, I think the Penguins want Guentzel in his spot and I don't know if he'd play in the lineup over Sheary. I think you might see Sprong and Simon rotating on Crosby's RW as Guentzel is playing LW, based on who's hot at the time.

I don't see where Sheary fits in on this roster with Sprong and Simon now up in the NHL, but I have my doubts that they'd trade him during the season. I can't see the Penguins making a risk that both Sprong and Simon are definitely NHL players, moving Sheary is a somewhat risky move. I think they'd rather have one of Simon, Sheary or Sprong as a healthy scratch in the playoffs instead of trading Sheary, they'd rather keep one of those guys as a safety net for poor play or injuries.

The real wildcard here is what the Penguins plan on doing with Malkin's line. Would Hagelin-Malkin-Hornqvist have sustainable success, where you can keep them together? I personally doubt it, but Hagelin has looked a lot better recently. You could probably run with something like this and have it work pretty well:

Two of Simon, Sprong and Sheary with Crosby
Guentzel-Malkin-Hornqvist
Rust-3C-Kessel
Hagelin-Sheahan-Reaves

Edit: Sheahan and Sheary have also looked good together for stretches this year and their stats back that up too, so maybe the Penguins would look to run with Sheary on the 4th line. It sucks that they won't scratch Reaves, because I could see Hagelin-Sheahan-Sheary working really well as the 4th line.
 
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Tom Hanks

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I wouldn’t be making lineups without Hagelin-Malkin-Hornqvist for right now. It seems like a crazy line but it’s really working as a 2-way line. Time will tell though.
 
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Peat

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I'm guessing the same as Empoleon - that the team would rather cling onto their depth - maybe send whichever of Sprong/Simon falters back to WBS - than trade Sheary. But it'd be a really easy move to make if he could be part of getting a 3C and someone's getting traded or sent to juniors.

We still have to find a respectable 3C. We can’t let a four game hot streak allow us to forget the prior 40 games or so. Get Jake back in the top 6, keep Sheahan on the 4th line and find an upgrade for Kuhnhackl. Offer Buffalo a 4th or something for Pouliot. Do whatever has to be done to keep Rowney and Kuhn in the press box when we are fully healthy. Make that fourth line good again.

As things stand, when Rust comes back, he's bumping someone out of the line-up. I don't think we need another winger to keep Kuhnhackl out if that's what Sullivan wants, just a fit roster.
 

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I wouldn’t be making lineups without Hagelin-Malkin-Hornqvist for right now. It seems like a crazy line but it’s really working as a 2-way line. Time will tell though.

Eh I don't buy it, and it becomes even more questionable because you have Hagelin in a top-9 role when you have 7 other wingers who should be in a top-9 role. I don't think Sullivan makes any roster changes anytime soon, but I don't think that line sticks.

I'm guessing the same as Empoleon - that the team would rather cling onto their depth - maybe send whichever of Sprong/Simon falters back to WBS - than trade Sheary. But it'd be a really easy move to make if he could be part of getting a 3C and someone's getting traded or sent to juniors.

Sheary's past playoff struggles also have to be considered here, that can easily apply to Sprong and Simon too, so they'd at least want to keep some depth. I think Sheary only goes out if another winger is coming in, which can basically be rewritten as I think Sheary only goes out if Kane is coming to Pittsburgh. I don't think they move Sheary for a 3C, I think Cole is the trade chip they use to get a 3C (either directly or indirectly) and Sheary only gets moved for another winger if something comes up.
 

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Interesting thought, maybe the Penguins could get Martin with salary retained and he could play on the 2nd pair with Schultz. Martin is the exact kind of player I was thinking about, it's just a question of how much gas he has left.
 

Peat

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Sheary's past playoff struggles also have to be considered here, that can easily apply to Sprong and Simon too, so they'd at least want to keep some depth. I think Sheary only goes out if another winger is coming in, which can basically be rewritten as I think Sheary only goes out if Kane is coming to Pittsburgh. I don't think they move Sheary for a 3C, I think Cole is the trade chip they use to get a 3C (either directly or indirectly) and Sheary only gets moved for another winger if something comes up.

I am not confident that Cole alone gets the job done for a 3C and therefore think Sheary is potentially in play.
 

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I am not confident that Cole alone gets the job done for a 3C and therefore think Sheary is potentially in play.

I'm expecting them to target a Letestu or a Plekanec caliber of player, that's why I think Cole would get it done. I don't think they'll be aiming that high, especially if the team is playing well.
 

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Interesting thought, maybe the Penguins could get Martin with salary retained and he could play on the 2nd pair with Schultz. Martin is the exact kind of player I was thinking about, it's just a question of how much gas he has left.


At 50% retention better than Hunwick.

Edit: I’d rather not have Martin, Hunwick or Cole on the team though
 
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I don’t see how Sheary/Rust arent traded for a center, unless the team in serious about Guentzel playing 3C.

Simon-Crosby-Sprong
Hagelin-Malkin-Hornqvist
Guentzel-3C-Kessel
Sheary/Rust-Sheahan-Reaves

^If one is traded for 3C

Simon-Crosby-Sprong
Hagelin-Malkin-Hornqvist
Sheary/Rust-Guentzel-Kessel
Rust/Sheary-Sheahan-Reaves

^If no trade

I still want E Kane in Hagelin’s spot.
 

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Interesting thought, maybe the Penguins could get Martin with salary retained and he could play on the 2nd pair with Schultz. Martin is the exact kind of player I was thinking about, it's just a question of how much gas he has left.
 

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Jakes been good at 3C, but I just dont see him being there long term. I want to see him with Sid and Sprong, he brings a net front element to that line that Simon doesnt. Im coming around on Simon, but I think hed be best on a lower line.

Really, we are going to have two more wingers to work with: Rust when hes back, and Jake when we get a 3C. Ideally, Kuhn and Reaves would sit in the playoffs although I really dont have confidence that either will for better or for worse. If we could move Hunwick plus our first for that 3C then that would be best, but I dont think thats going to happen either, and Cole is the more likely move. Of course, this is assuming everyone is healthy and with this team thats a prayer.

Sheary/Simon/Jake-Crosby-Sprong
Sheary/Simon/Jake-Malkin-Horny
Sheary/Simon/Jake-3C-Kessel
Hags-Sheahan-Rust
Kuhn/Rowney/Reaves

Dumo-Letang
Maatta-Schultz
Hunwick-Oleksiak
Ruh

At 50% retention better than Hunwick.

Edit: I’d rather not have Martin, Hunwick or Cole on the team though
Martin of a few years ago would have been perfect for this team, either with Letang or Schultz as a steady defenseman who can still move the puck. Prime Martin is what I want Maatta to be. But every time Ive seen him with SJ the past 2-3 years he seems like hes just getting old and his positioning isnt enough anymore.
 

ColePens

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If the Pens stay in the hunt and the Canes fall out of it Derek Ryan could be a decent rental pickup.
I mean they'd have to drop considerable amount of games in a row. They aren't actually playing that poorly. I don't think they will be that far out of it by that time to be sellers.

Even though the Pens have done a great job putting some wins together, and they desperately needed it, teams still are sitting with games in hand. So even though we are climbing ever so slightly out of our hole, we still have a ways to go.

Short of a team absolutely collapsing the rest of January and early February, I don't see any of our division flat out sellers.
 

ColePens

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Interesting thought, maybe the Penguins could get Martin with salary retained and he could play on the 2nd pair with Schultz. Martin is the exact kind of player I was thinking about, it's just a question of how much gas he has left.


It's a sad state but he's really really really lost his wheels. He skates like the bad version of Scuderi and gets outmuscled to pucks like him, too.
 
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And this is why we didn't want him extended.



I have a soft spot for a lot of Sharks players. Thornton, Pavs, and Martin all deserve a Cup. Ironically the two teams we played in the Finals I wouldn't have been devastated for the fact they won it. I'd just be disappointed Sid/Geno lose out on that epic part of their career. But those 2 teams had players on it that deserved a Cup and it would have been okay watching them skate around with it. Unlike Detroit in 2008.
 
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Martin is only on waivers because he has missed so much time to injury this year, they think he won't get claimed on waivers and he needs some games to get back into shape. I don't know how good he is at this point, but he's being wavied because of injuries.
 
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