Salary Cap: Salary Cap & Roster Building - Killing time with pointless rumors

[Turin]

Fact is you can get that at trade deadline.

You can’t get rid of JJ then.

True. Not everything needs to be perfect by October, just sort out the messes that actively hurt you before the season starts.

 

[Gurglesons]

I think both Schultz and Maatta should be shopped.

If you’re shopping Schultz you better do it now because that RD UFA market is going to be insane next year.

 

[Tom Hanks]

Not roster related but........

 

[Gurglesons]

True. Not everything needs to be perfect by October, just sort out the messes that actively hurt you before the season starts.

You also have Pettersson and Olli who can fill in fine as # 4s in the regular season. Obviously injury will mess with that, but Dumo, Olli, Pettersson is not really that bad.

 

[Ginormousthumbs]

Good for Phil. I wouldn’t want to go to Minnesota either.

 

[KIRK]

Fact is you can get that at trade deadline.

You can’t get rid of JJ then.

For sure. You get rid of JJ now regardless. BUT, going into next season with Maatta-Schultz as your 2nd pairing isn't the answer, and I'm not sure it's something so easily addressed at the deadline. If anything, I'd look to pawn Maatta off on Ottawa (as we discussed) and then go for that #3 this offseason (perhaps looking to trade with a team up against the cap limit themselves?).

 

[KIRK]

I think both Schultz and Maatta should be shopped.

100%.

Last year was obviously a problem, but I didn't see Schultz as a 5.5M a year defenseman in 2017-2018 either.

 

[Gurglesons]

For sure. You get rid of JJ now regardless. BUT, going into next season with Maatta-Schultz as your 2nd pairing isn't the answer, and I'm not sure it's something so easily addressed at the deadline. If anything, I'd look to pawn Maatta off on Ottawa (as we discussed) and then go for that #3 this offseason (perhaps looking to trade with a team up against the cap limit themselves?).

It’s also not a big enough issue to prevent this team from being successful in the regular season.

JJ on our roster is.

 

[iFishyHD]

I think both Schultz and Maatta should be shopped.

I really don't think there is a way we can trade Schultz and replace him without a slew of other moves. JRs priority seems on the forwards. Assuming JJ is gone, I don't really think it makes sense to move Schultz unless your moving Maatta too, but that doesn't go both ways. If your moving Schultz you have to commit to completely rebuilding the second pairing, and Maatta probably shouldn't be the guy on the left side there, and Maatta-Gudbranson is absolutely too expensive, and even Rutherford knows that. I am all for moving Schultz for an impact forward (Hoffman?), but I find it pretty unlikely we do it and the defense is any better.

 

[Gurglesons]

100%.

Last year was obviously a problem, but I didn't see Schultz as a 5.5M a year defenseman in 2017-2018 either.

When the UFA market in 2019 is Pietrangelo (especially if they win the cup), Krug, Faulk, Spurgeon, Barrie, Vatanen, Tanev, Hamonic, etc. Schultz is not having a lot of value.

 

[KIRK]

Lol...TIOPS chiming in....here’s a summary...

TIOPS is claiming Kessel was actually asked to waive his NTC on Monday, and has already told the Penguins he is not going to waive his NTC for Minnesota. From what TIOPS is saying, the Penguins and Wild are trying to keep trade hopes alive, and that the Penguins have given the Wild permission to speak to Kessel and his agent. Problem is, accoding to TIOPS, Kessel and co aren't returning the Wild's calls. Wild have tried to get Parise and others involved to try and persuade Kessel to come to Minnesota.

TIOPS claims GMJR has already told Kessel there is zero possibility he is going to return to Pittsburgh next year, and claims Kessel has told the team find a deal with someone on his 8 team trade list, which TIOPS claims includes Nashville, LA, and Arizona

Here's my 4 letter read on the insider insight of that article . . . R.O.F.L.

 

[Tom Hanks]

100%.

Last year was obviously a problem, but I didn't see Schultz as a 5.5M a year defenseman in 2017-2018 either.

The Kessel-Ellis discussions (teams talked twice last season) would be a good way to fill the RHD void then.

 

[Turin]

I really don't think there is a way we can trade Schultz and replace him without a slew of other moves. JRs priority seems on the forwards. Assuming JJ is gone, I don't really think it makes sense to move Schultz unless your moving Maatta too, but that doesn't go both ways. If your moving Schultz you have to commit to completely rebuilding the second pairing, and Maatta probably shouldn't be the guy on the left side there, and Maatta-Gudbranson is absolutely too expensive, and even Rutherford knows that. I am all for moving Schultz for an impact forward (Hoffman?), but I find it pretty unlikely we do it and the defense is any better.

I mean for a different defenseman or assets/space to replace him. I’m fine with Maatta/Petersson -a better player than Schultz on the 2nd pair. Ideally you just move both tbh. Hell, trade both for picks and sign Karlsson

 

[KIRK]

When the UFA market in 2019 is Pietrangelo (especially if they win the cup), Krug, Faulk, Spurgeon, Barrie, Vatanen, Tanev, Hamonic, etc. Schultz is not having a lot of value.

Agreed, but I'm not sure what that should have to do with the Pens willingness to shop Schultz, because he certainly hasn't been a 5.5M a year defenseman since signing his 3 year deal.

 

[Ginormousthumbs]

Who would get a better return? Geno or Phil?

 

[Riptide]

I wouldn't trade Phil, but if I were to, I would look at someone like Drouin.

Then make a move to Calgary to get Bennett and Frolik. Move Horny for stuff and sign a FA like Dingle DZINGLE

Must be nice to live in a fantasy land where one can just make wishes and have them fulfilled.

 

[KIRK]

The Kessel-Ellis discussions (teams talked twice last season) would be a good way to fill the RHD void then.

Only if Schultz is being moved . . .

 

[Turin]

Who would get a better return? Geno or Phil?

Well, they’re both the same age, one is infinitely better, hard to say..

 

[KIRK]

Who would get a better return? Geno or Phil?

Why does that matter?

 

[KIRK]

Well, they’re both the same age, one is infinitely better, hard to say..

Except the infinitely better one has a full NMC, which negatively impacts what you could get for him IF he ever decided to force a trade.

 

[Ginormousthumbs]

Well, they’re both the same age, one is infinitely better, hard to say..

Except they’re not the same age

 

[Ginormousthumbs]

Why does that matter?

Asking for a friend

 

[Turin]

Except they’re not the same age

Ok Geno is like one year older my bad.

 

[Tom Hanks]

Only if Schultz is being moved . . .

Of course and Schultz for a forward or a LD if another team needs a swap of D sides.

 

[Gurglesons]

Who would get a better return? Geno or Phil?

Phil.