Post-Game Talk: Sabres/Refs 5 Leafs 2

[GoBuds14]

After every loss all I see is blaming the refs, it’s lazy. The leafs were garbage and absolutely deserved to lose. If you think a bad call here and there would have resulted in a Leafs win you weren’t paying attention

 

[Gallagbi]

After every loss all I see is blaming the refs, it’s lazy. The leafs were garbage and absolutely deserved to lose. If you think a bad call here and there would have resulted in a Leafs win you weren’t paying attention

They Sabres had 2 goals directly off bad officiating. We deserved to lose, but there's been plenty of games we deserved to win where a bad spell cost us and it looked like we may finally flip that script last night.

 

[ToneDog]

Willy overpaid?

What's the going rate for a 30 goal 70 point forwards these days?

I said slightly overpaid. He got more than his comparable at the time (Pasta, Ehlers, Larkin ...).

You have to account that he made $7M last year while missing 2 months and shitting the bed.

 

[ToneDog]

After every loss all I see is blaming the refs, it’s lazy. The leafs were garbage and absolutely deserved to lose. If you think a bad call here and there would have resulted in a Leafs win you weren’t paying attention

Pretty much how Keefe saw it and called out his players.

 

[GoBuds14]

They Sabres had 2 goals directly off bad officiating. We deserved to lose, but there's been plenty of games we deserved to win where a bad spell cost us and it looked like we may finally flip that script last night.

A couple bad calls last night against the Leafs for sure, yet Sabres absolutely dominated that game regardless. Far too often fans are quick to point out bad calls against, but won’t acknowledge when bad calls go our way. It balances out

 

[Shanwhatplan]

Holl is 26 years old already. IMO he was better than Muzzin yesterday.

Not sure I agree with you on that, but to be honest, I didn’t watch the whole game. However, looking at the season so far, I would have to say I feel much more comfortable with Muzzin out there against the other team’s top players, at least for now. But I also like how Holl isn’t afraid to take someone out when the chance arises, and he can handle the puck okay and make some good passes.

 

[Gallagbi]

A couple bad calls last night against the Leafs for sure, yet Sabres absolutely dominated that game regardless. Far too often fans are quick to point out bad calls against, but won’t acknowledge when bad calls go our way. It balances out

...except it didn't balance out, at all, especially last night.

There are always missed and bad calls in a game, last night was an extreme. If you didn't notice you weren't paying enough attention.

The two hooks and a slash leading to the second goal. Both hooks causing a turnover? The trip on Nylander leading for a turnover in the high slot in the second? The blatant interference on Kap that prevented a breakaway? The questionable Muzzin trip at that time in the game for the GWG? The Eichel cross check on Hyman at the end of their PP? It shouldnt be this easy to find examples in a single game.

 

[GoBuds14]

...except it didn't balance out, at all, especially last night.

There are always missed and bad calls in a game, last night was an extreme. If you didn't notice you weren't paying enough attention.

The two hooks and a slash leading to the second goal. Both hooks causing a turnover? The trip on Nylander leading for a turnover in the high alot in the second? The blatant interference on Kap that prevented a breakaway? The questionable Muzzin trip at that time in the game for the GWG? The Eichel cross check on Hyman at the end of their PP? It should be this easy to find examples in a single game.

I was talking about it balancing out over the course of a season. If you want to go down the rabbit hole of garbage calls that went in favour of the Leafs this season we can. Fact of the matter is, I was much more upset over the teams horrific effort as opposed to a couple soft calls

 

[Gallagbi]

I was talking about it balancing out over the course of a season. If you want to go down the rabbit hole of garbage calls that went in favour of the Leafs this season we can. Fact of the matter is, I was much more upset over the teams horrific effort as opposed to a couple soft calls

There's room for both.

I can say the team played shitty and the officials ended up playing a bigger role than they ever should.

 

[Iapyi]

Really, the Leafs, are the 5 th least penalized team in the league. But, carry on indeed.

This has nothing to do with what I'm talking about.

 

[TVs Frank]

Here’s a conspiracy theory for ya. As a way to counter fan criticism of players, coaches and management, Dubas and MLSE hire a bunch of punters to fill the message boards with conspiracy theories blaming refs, Bettman and everyone but the Leafs themselves for their mediocre play on the ice. And guess what, it works.

 

[hockeyes]

I was talking about it balancing out over the course of a season. If you want to go down the rabbit hole of garbage calls that went in favour of the Leafs this season we can. Fact of the matter is, I was much more upset over the teams horrific effort as opposed to a couple soft calls

Last 3 season = dead last in penalties drawn. The team has a lot of issues but that doesn't mean refs are not reluctant to call infractions against them. The team gets no respect from the refs or the league.

 

[yubbers]

Yikes, this is some awful valuation

I wouldn't do it personally but just coming up with hypothetical ppl that would actually eat his contract.

 

[jimmycarter]

Looked like Leafs were on the PK 5 on 5 last night

 

[TVs Frank]

Okay, this is getting embarrassing. There is zero evidence of a vast NHL conspiracy against Toronto. Officials and the NHL executive are not conspiring to keep us down or keep us out of the Stanley Cup. Claiming that “I know an ex-referee who told me about it” is not proof of anything but some moron’s over-active imagination. Like all conspiracy theories, it is based on anecdotal stories that cannot be either proven or disproven and gives the story teller a sense of importance and power as the sole source of vital information.
A conspiracy of officiating directed against Toronto would require the involvement all 85 referees and linesmen, 70 of whom are Canadian. It would almost certainly require the involvement of the union representing on-ice officials and many of the union executives. It would require the involvement of off-ice officiating at NHL head offices in New York and dozens of league executives, including Bettman. This conspiracy involving well over 100 individuals would been done presumably behind the backs of all the other league GMs and certainly behind the backs of MLSE and its shareholders who would be losing millions by being effectively locked out of Stanley Cup appearances. And the league and all it’s co-conspirators would be violating numerous US anti-trust and racketeering laws, risking years in prison, millions in fines and the complete loss of credibility of the NHL all for the single purpose of denying our Leafs the chance at a Stanley Cup...sure, why not, the earth is flat, the moon landing never happened and everyone is to blame for us losing last night except our Leafs.

 

[Cobra777]

That was the most Lazy stand around puck watching debaucle I have ever witnessed, this team looked liked they needed geritol as they all played like they were 75 freakin years old, If I was the coach I would have been put in jail as I would of cuffed the back of their helmets and freaked on them from being embarrassed at a bottom team cycling the &^% out of us for 2 (*&^ periods where we barely could get out of our zone as we stood around with this DUMBARSE 2 step trying to defend in our own zone. I surely hope the team was riddled with the flu or something for an excuse for that absolute tired display of hockey, a little life to begin the 3rd just does not cut it these are valuable points which again in the month of Feb they are pissing away. Yes the officiating sucked but this team played like they jogged all the way down the QEW to Buffalo with a no show and no gas, we were beaten to every puck and out skated, NO excuse unless every player was flu ridden.

 

[theTTC]

Here’s a conspiracy theory for ya. As a way to counter fan criticism of players, coaches and management, Dubas and MLSE hire a bunch of punters to fill the message boards with conspiracy theories blaming refs, Bettman and everyone but the Leafs themselves for their mediocre play on the ice. And guess what, it works.

Shanny, where's my cheque?

 

[theTTC]

Here’s a conspiracy theory for ya. As a way to counter fan criticism of players, coaches and management, Dubas and MLSE hire a bunch of punters to fill the message boards with conspiracy theories blaming refs, Bettman and everyone but the Leafs themselves for their mediocre play on the ice. And guess what, it works.

Hmm, maybe you were hired to come out as "regular Joe Fan who is offended" and stating it's not fixed?

 

[yubbers]

I'm pretty convinced the broadcasters are told what to say by management. They've been pumping goalies tires hard for over a month now. Every shot into their crest is a 'solid save' Trying to keep the natives restless :p

 

[GoBuds14]

Okay, this is getting embarrassing. There is zero evidence of a vast NHL conspiracy against Toronto. Officials and the NHL executive are not conspiring to keep us down or keep us out of the Stanley Cup. Claiming that “I know an ex-referee who told me about it” is not proof of anything but some moron’s over-active imagination. Like all conspiracy theories, it is based on anecdotal stories that cannot be either proven or disproven and gives the story teller a sense of importance and power as the sole source of vital information.
A conspiracy of officiating directed against Toronto would require the involvement all 85 referees and linesmen, 70 of whom are Canadian. It would almost certainly require the involvement of the union representing on-ice officials and many of the union executives. It would require the involvement of off-ice officiating at NHL head offices in New York and dozens of league executives, including Bettman. This conspiracy involving well over 100 individuals would been done presumably behind the backs of all the other league GMs and certainly behind the backs of MLSE and its shareholders who would be losing millions by being effectively locked out of Stanley Cup appearances. And the league and all it’s co-conspirators would be violating numerous US anti-trust and racketeering laws, risking years in prison, millions in fines and the complete loss of credibility of the NHL all for the single purpose of denying our Leafs the chance at a Stanley Cup...sure, why not, the earth is flat, the moon landing never happened and everyone is to blame for us losing last night except our Leafs.

Perfectly said

 

[The CyNick]

We are seeing blatant obvious penalties against us that are not being called. It's as simple as that. No need putting an extra onus on ourselves.

I'm not the kind of guy who wants to blame the refs for a loss.

I am the kind of guy who isn't going to blindly pretend that there is not a bias against us when there clearly is.

I have no problem speaking the truth even though some may see it as a cop out.

It is what it is. Acting like it doesn't exist accomplishes nothing and is an ostrich with his head in the sand type of thing.

Maybe it's because I watch more hockey (ie other teams) than most, but I don't see any bias whatsoever. I see a gutless team that floats through large stretches of games and goes to get by on skill alone.

 

[Martin Skoula]

Okay, this is getting embarrassing. There is zero evidence of a vast NHL conspiracy against Toronto. Officials and the NHL executive are not conspiring to keep us down or keep us out of the Stanley Cup. Claiming that “I know an ex-referee who told me about it” is not proof of anything but some moron’s over-active imagination. Like all conspiracy theories, it is based on anecdotal stories that cannot be either proven or disproven and gives the story teller a sense of importance and power as the sole source of vital information.
A conspiracy of officiating directed against Toronto would require the involvement all 85 referees and linesmen, 70 of whom are Canadian. It would almost certainly require the involvement of the union representing on-ice officials and many of the union executives. It would require the involvement of off-ice officiating at NHL head offices in New York and dozens of league executives, including Bettman. This conspiracy involving well over 100 individuals would been done presumably behind the backs of all the other league GMs and certainly behind the backs of MLSE and its shareholders who would be losing millions by being effectively locked out of Stanley Cup appearances. And the league and all it’s co-conspirators would be violating numerous US anti-trust and racketeering laws, risking years in prison, millions in fines and the complete loss of credibility of the NHL all for the single purpose of denying our Leafs the chance at a Stanley Cup...sure, why not, the earth is flat, the moon landing never happened and everyone is to blame for us losing last night except our Leafs.

Or a few refs grew up disliking Toronto and got their panties in a bunch when Babcock called them out publicly, and that latent bias turns 50/50 calls into 49/51 calls.

A team this skilled drawing the least amount of penalties over a 3 year sample size where they out-possessed the field makes absolutely 0 sense. Game management and subconscious ref bias leads to unbalanced outcomes without the need for an actual conspiracy.

 

[cannucky]

...except it didn't balance out, at all, especially last night.

There are always missed and bad calls in a game, last night was an extreme. If you didn't notice you weren't paying enough attention.

The two hooks and a slash leading to the second goal. Both hooks causing a turnover? The trip on Nylander leading for a turnover in the high slot in the second? The blatant interference on Kap that prevented a breakaway? The questionable Muzzin trip at that time in the game for the GWG? The Eichel cross check on Hyman at the end of their PP? It shouldnt be this easy to find examples in a single game.

It never balances out , ask Arizona , thst was the weakest goalie interference call of the century but it went our way so eff it .

 

[Wafflewhipper]

The Leafs are 28th in PP opportunities this season, 31st last season, 29th the season prior. If you average the last 3 seasons, they are 30th, ahead of only Anaheim, for least PP opportunities.

Good stats thank you

 

[Wafflewhipper]

After every loss all I see is blaming the refs, it’s lazy. The leafs were garbage and absolutely deserved to lose. If you think a bad call here and there would have resulted in a Leafs win you weren’t paying attention

I have been paying attention to poor refereeing league wide. Its brutal and discipline is brutal. Players and coaches are fed up and snapping all over the league. It is a real issue. It is so hard to rationalize with many calls that it looks like ulterior motives are underlying