wraparound
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soldWhat about 3 OVA, Comtois, Groulx, Thrun, and Henrique?
soldWhat about 3 OVA, Comtois, Groulx, Thrun, and Henrique?
We dont need a contending team right off the bat. We have time. Why you want to immediately jump to worst case scenario is beyond me.
Is Power not projected 1OA?They're going to draft Beniers or Eklund. IF Eklund is available, but it's rumored he'll be going #1.
I think that's overly generous w/3OA at present, see comments below.Sabres fans are insanely overvaluing Eichel in this thread.
There have been 0 players in the last 30 years who have been traded for the kind of packages thrown out in here. Taking the Ottawa Duchene trade and adding a good asset on top of that is just about the best case scenario with Eichel, and that's even with ignoring the fact that Anaheim's pick is definitely #3 while Ottawa's pick was just a future 1st.
Something like Henrique, Comtois, Terry, Dostal and #3 is the full value price for Eichel. Thinking he somehow has even more value than that is just ignoring what actual star players get traded for. I can understand why that seems underwhelming, I'd be disappointed if that's what I was getting back for a 25 year old Malkin too, but players just don't have the kind of insane value that fans put out.
NONE of those pieces are on the table, esp for Eichel as he actually is NOW.Oh yeah, Rags definitely have the pieces.
My understanding is those are the 3 options but what you called experimental is not really experimental, but just does not have history so far w/NHL players.Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but the possible treatment options for Eichel are:
1. Rest and recovery - no surgery
2. Rest and recovery - traditional surgery
3. Experimental surgery
The third option is not necessarily out of the picture even if Eichel goes through with the second option. The Sabres hesitation with the third option is there is very little data on success rate for athletes.
IF AND WHEN Eichel's health changes, then and in that event the price goes up. Across the board.I think both of these are true:
1. Buffalo shouldn't settle on a lesser package than fair value for Eichel when they can just hold onto him
2. Other teams shouldn't bend over backwards to meet any sort of asinine demand that Buffalo has
The outcome here should be a fair deal for both sides. If either side can't make that work, whether it be from Buffalo asking for too much or other teams offering too little, they shouldn't just make the trade just to get it over with.
I've posted this same package like 5 times, but I think something like Henrique, Comtois, Terry, Dostal and #3 overall is completely reasonable from both sides, and I don't see why either side would make a sticking point out of it. Buffalo isn't getting Zegras/Drysdale/Byfield/Kakko for Eichel with his neck injury, but Anaheim/LA/NYR won't get Eichel by lowballing Buffalo.
this ^I wouldn't call the disc replacement surgery experimental. It is a newer technique and it has never been performed on an NHL player. But, it has been performed on a lot of people at this point.
Given that we are roughly 5 months out from Eichel's last game, I would be surprised if further rest and rehab resolved the issue. Eichel had one doctor say that if by the 6 week mark rest and rehab hadn't resolved the issue, rest and rehab was unlikely to ever resolve the issue.
It seem like we are at the game of chicken point of things where Eichel wants the disc replacement and the Sabres doctors will not approve of that procedure. The Sabres cannot force Eichel to get a spinal fusion surgery, so here we sit...
and this ^That's a sad thing to say to a 24 year old kid. ... and yes, at 24 he's still basically a kid with his whole life ahead of him. Pain management shouldn't be in his vocabulary... at least not at that age.
The Sabes have to bend, buckle and capitulate to the ultimate reality that Eichel is the sole decider of what medical treatment he gets.
The faster that is done and over with and we have an idea of how well he has recovered [presuming that is the case], the faster upgraded packages w/signif pieces can be offered assuming BUF wants to go there.
But unless someone is stupid, no team is gonna pay healthy/no issue top dollar for Eichel when that is not his current and true condition.
If for any reason Sabes want to move on immediately, they have to pay deep discount for a partner to do so.
I have to believe that a damaged disc in your neck is a little worse than sore muscles that rest and ice can take care of. Now I'm no doctor but I would think that a damaged disc, and the pain associated with it, is constant. God, I don't even like it when I get the occasional pinched nerve in my neck... heaven forbid I had disc issues, particularly when you think about how often you move your neck.. neck movement constant, even when sleeping.
So no... I don't think pain management at 24 is a viable option and these issues usually seem to get worse as you get older. Fix it now while you are still young and your recuperative powers are at their peak. I say FU to the hockey club who is really only concerned with getting their pound of flesh for the next 5 years while you're under contract.
Groulx, Jones, Lundestrom, and Steel are all 3/4 line players. That's not a criticism but simply the reality of their roles in the NHL both now and in the future. Colangelo is a mystery box but is several years away from FT NHL duty. Tracey is looking like a very questionable pick right now and is several years away from the NHL...if he makes it at all. Both Thrun and Lacombe look like NHL players of some sort but (again) are several years away.
lol you are putting a ceiling of 3rd/4th line on like 21-22 year olds, not smart.
That's what they were projected to be when they were drafted and nothing has really changed to alter that assessment. Except that Steel keeps getting worse.
Ya that is just not true. I don’t think a single one of them had consistent draft projections of a 3rd/4th line ceiling. They are 1st rounders or high 2nd rounders, you don’t draft guys in those rounds with a bottom 6 ceiling.
So which ones do you see filling top six roles for the team in the future? Maybe Jones?
Groulx, Jones, Lundestrom, and Steel are all 3/4 line players. am not sure who will or if any will, but I do know that it is silly to dismiss the possibility that t
lol you are putting a ceiling of 3rd/4th line on like 21-22 year olds, not smart.
To be fair I’d love to acquire eichel for nothing alsoIgnore him. He wants to acquire Eichel for nothing. He wants the Ducks to take 2% of the risk and Buffalo to take 98% of it.
If the trade could be the Ducks equivalent of (Sabres players and prospects) Biro, Fogarty, Murray, Fitzgerald and Houser, he’d be all over that like a fat kid on cake.
The Sabes have to bend, buckle and capitulate to the ultimate reality that Eichel is the sole decider of what medical treatment he gets.
The faster that is done and over with and we have an idea of how well he has recovered [presuming that is the case], the faster upgraded packages w/signif pieces can be offered assuming BUF wants to go there.
But unless someone is stupid, no team is gonna pay healthy/no issue top dollar for Eichel when that is not his current and true condition.
If for any reason Sabes want to move on immediately, they have to pay deep discount for a partner to do so.
Well shit, now that you put it that way, Buffalo should absolutely take the pieces that the Rangers see as expendable, just to be done with everything.
And then they can lose those pieces for late 2nds and 3rd liners like they did with Taylor Hall.
Ah yes totally agree. Why don't you whip up one of your infamous trade proposals that are universally panned from both sides.