Confirmed with Link: Sabres acquire W Jimmy Vesey for a 3rd round pick in 2021

[jc17]

Ok here's the optimist's slant (until October when he proves to be as disappointing as advertised):

Vesey played a significant amount of time with Brett Howden, who makes everyone around him worse. Not quite Sobotka but still impactful. The numbers should adjust for teammates but they don't always do so adequately.

Looking at the WOWY stats Vesey survived when he wasn't playing with Howden. He did ok, not great but we could use ok on our roster. And we can see that he wasn't just boosted by Hayes or by getting easy zone starts.

If he can play 50 xGF% hockey at even strength with average teammates that's better than what we got from everyone not named Eichel, Reinhart, Skinner, Pommer.

I'll hand up and listen for @Dingo to like this and @Jame and @Aladyyn to tell me why I'm wrong .

Edit: Bummer, he stunk last year without Howden. Debunked

 

[Buf fan in Nash]

Don't like it after ddn't sign with us before. At best hes a good 3rd liner and its for one season. Is that worth a 3rd? Probably not.

 

[VaporTrail]

Don't like it after ddn't sign with us before. At best hes a good 3rd liner and its for one season. Is that worth a 3rd? Probably not.

Fans are drinking the Sabre Kool Aid today...already penciling him in on our first line

 

[jc17]

Fans are drinking the Sabre Kool Aid today...already penciling him in on our first line

No one's really saying he's a first liner. People that have done that are saying Eichel or reinhart can carry him around the ice rather than placing him with guys like Mitts and Sheary who won't accomplish anything together.

 

[Chainshot]

Ok here's the optimist's slant (until October when he proves to be as disappointing as advertised):

Vesey played a significant amount of time with Brett Howden, who makes everyone around him worse. Not quite Sobotka but still impactful. The numbers should adjust for teammates but they don't always do so adequately.

Looking at the WOWY stats Vesey survived when he wasn't playing with Howden. He did ok, not great but we could use ok on our roster. And we can see that he wasn't just boosted by Hayes or by getting easy zone starts.

If he can play 50 xGF% hockey at even strength with average teammates that's better than what we got from everyone not named Eichel, Reinhart, Skinner, Pommer.

I'll hand up and listen for @Dingo to like this and @Jame and @Aladyyn to tell me why I'm wrong .


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Edit: Bummer, he stunk last year without Howden. Debunked

Good attempt! Would read again.

 

[jc17]

Good attempt! Would read again.

He obviously made significant improvements from when he was 25 to when he was 26. Hopefully we can lock him up for when he's in his prime at 34

 

[Paxon]

Don't like it after ddn't sign with us before. At best hes a good 3rd liner and its for one season. Is that worth a 3rd? Probably not.

It very much remains to be seen if he is a good third liner

 

[KeyserSoze81]

Vesey's next contract will be the first of its kind, with a 1 team no trade clause. The new CBA allows for this "restraining order" provision to prevent ongoing career harassment.

 

[Paxon]

It's interesting to see how opinions of the Murray trade for Vesey have "subtly" morphed in the last 12 hours.

What are you referring to?

 

[Chainshot]

It's interesting to see how opinions of the Murray trade for Vesey have "subtly" morphed in the last 12 hours.

What are you referring to?

I'm wondering the same thing. When Murray dealt yet another draft asset to get a few extra weeks to talk to Vesey the first time, Vesey was an unknown quantity at the NHL level. He was an excellent collegiate goal scorer who did it in a pro-style fashion and only 23 years old. It was a risk, since Vesey had said he was going to explore UFA no matter what and he was at least a man of his word in that - going to free agency and selecting his destination.

Three years on, we know what sort of player he is. He's still a scorer, mostly through work in around the net. And that's about it. He's UFA after this season and there doesn't appear to be a whole lot more to draw out of him at the age of 26. The cement on this one has hardened if you will.

 

[Bobby Bottle Service]

Sabres trade a 3rd for Vesey?

 

[Ace]

What’s funny is the team he turned down was better than the one he was traded to. Three years of “building” later

 

[Chainshot]

What’s funny is the team he turned down was better than the one he was traded to. Three years of “building” later

Part of it was wanting opportunity. He was a solid prospect, but he wasn't a bluechip guy coming out of his fourth year at Harvard. There was talk that he wouldn't get NHL time with the Preds coming out. So... he got three years in NYC and now gets a year in the gulag to show he can get the McGinn contract on the other side of it from team like the Ducks or Coyotes.

 

[Sens]

He’s a bigger guy to and just had his best season at 17G 35Pts... I don’t see why he can’t put up 20-25G 40-45Pts

 

[Chainshot]

He’s a bigger guy to and just had his best season at 17G 35Pts... I don’t see why he can’t put up 20-25G 40-45Pts

Depends on who he is playing with, but I don't see him getting as many minutes as he did with the Rangers in Buffalo which probably balances it out. And him having EDIT: substantially more assists than goals would be a first.

 

[Tsujimoto]

Vesey's next contract will be the first of its kind, with a 1 team no trade clause. The new CBA allows for this "restraining order" provision to prevent ongoing career harassment.

Vesey's 10 team no trade list is just a 716 napkin that says 'Buffalo' on it 10 times.

 

[Snargitz]

Should see if Nashville will take him for a 3rd so he can trully go full circle.

 

[littletonhockeycoach]

If my cost of living just dropped by about 200%, and I could stop paying NYC taxes , I'd be pretty thrilled too.

And he doesn't need to reregister and get new plates for his vehicle either!

 

[joshjull]

 

[MayDayMayDay]

Watch him get here, get put on his off wing next to Jack and Skinny, light it up with 20G before Christmas and then by January we're talking about how much we need to re-sign him because that's just the bizarro nonsensical hee haw clown hour reality we live in now.

 

[PunchImlach is Alive]

I catch a few Rangers games locally so I've seen Vesey play a bit. I don't hate this trade. Vesey's usually pretty noticeable, especially this year where the Rangers largely had a pretty uninspiring roster playing uninspired hockey. He'd probably slot in pretty comfortably in the middle 6 and makes for some decent competition for top 6 minutes. Worst case scenario, Buffalo could likely flip him at the deadline for not any lower than what they paid. Definitely a player whose numbers you can see getting blown up by playing with virtually anyone one of Mitts, Reino, Eichel, Skinner, Olofsson, etc. Would be interested in seeing a Vesey / Nylander combo experimented with in camp.

 

[Sens]

Depends on who he is playing with, but I don't see him getting as many minutes as he did with the Rangers in Buffalo which probably balances it out. And him having more assists than goals would be a first.

18 is higher then 17
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[Captain Holt]

The funniest part of this whole thing is people getting bent over a 3rd round pick.

 

[NEcoli]

The funniest part of this whole thing is people getting bent over a 3rd round pick.

Who is getting bent out of shape? Almost all of the complaints I've seen have centered around not liking the player, not the cost.

 

[CatsforReinhart]

People's feelings are hurt worse than when a girl rejected them in high school (because he wanted to play in NY)

He is an upgrade to our top 9. That is what matters to me.