Prospect Info: Ryan Poehling Part 3 - Back to school edition

[FrankMTL]

You are.

He'll turn pro as soon as his season ends and he'll sign his contract.

I'm quite confident about that as well. Don't forget, there are a bunch of St Cloud players that will be graduating at the end of the season including Poehling's two brothers (Jack and Nick), Jimmy Schuldt (Captain), Patrick Newell (Leading Scorer this year), Robby Jackson (3rd leading scorer after Ryan Poehling). St Cloud will be a very different team next year. He will no longer have as much of an attachment to the team, especially if they win the NCAA Championship

 

[26Mats]

You are.

He'll turn pro as soon as his season ends and he'll sign his contract.

And you know this how?

Many players have stayed in the NCAA past when their NHL team wanted them to leave. And many have taken advantage of being a free agent after their NCAA career. That loophole needs to be changed. If they really dont want to play for a team, they should have to ask for a trade.

 

[crosbyshow]

You are.

He'll turn pro as soon as his season ends and he'll sign his contract.

are you sure about that? it is not what he is saying right now

 

[FrankMTL]

And you know this how?

Many players have stayed in the NCAA past when their NHL team wanted them to leave. And many have taken advantage of being a free agent after their NCAA career. That loophole needs to be changed. If they really dont want to play for a team, they should have to ask for a trade.

Nothing is 100%, but the percentage of NHL drafted players in the NCAA that take advantage of this loophole is very very low...especially first rounders. I think Kevin Hayes was a first rounder, besides him i'm not sure how many other first rounders have done this.

 

[Belial]

And you know this how?

Many players have stayed in the NCAA past when their NHL team wanted them to leave. And many have taken advantage of being a free agent after their NCAA career. That loophole needs to be changed. If they really dont want to play for a team, they should have to ask for a trade.

Not in the mood to argue, there's nothing to indicate that he will not sing here!

If you want to believe he will screw us, have a blast. Just don't get the logic...

 

[crosbyshow]

Tout le monde me demande si c'est ma dernière année au collège. Je ne le sais pas. Et ce n'est pas parce que je ne veux pas le dire. C'est parce que je ne le sais réellement pas. Je suis heureux ici et on a une chance de gagner quelque chose cette année », explique-t-il.

Jees, do you want to play in the NHL next year ot not

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

We could Trade him + for a top 4 LHD. This way we covered the LHD problem and we are already stacked at Center ( Domi-kk-suzuki)
Hell, I would be fine with just Domi/KK as our 2 center and Suzu at the RW, they can both achieve 80p and Mtl almost never had two 80p+ center at the same time.


Honestly, We could try to trade Poehling if we are scared he does what Butcher/Schultz did.

 

[Habs Halifax]

And you know this how?

Many players have stayed in the NCAA past when their NHL team wanted them to leave. And many have taken advantage of being a free agent after their NCAA career. That loophole needs to be changed. If they really dont want to play for a team, they should have to ask for a trade.

Not many 1st round picks have done it and you have to look at each case. Usually, there are reasons why the player don't want to sign and the team screwed up to some degree in supporting the player during development.

What is the probability he screws us? Like 1% or less? There is nothing to indicate Poehling will do this. Habs are very happy with his development and I'm sure they are supporting him. He will get the max ELC deal from us.

 

[Habs Halifax]

We could Trade him + for a top 4 LHD. This way we covered the LHD problem and we are already stacked at Center ( Domi-kk-suzuki)
Hell, I would be fine with just Domi/KK as our 2 center and Suzu at the RW, they can both achieve 80p and Mtl almost never had two 80p+ center at the same time.


Honestly, We could try to trade Poehling if we are scared he does what Butcher/Schultz did.

Poehling and Hudon for Bean, Gauthier, and a pick. I'd definitely think about it. However, my first attempt would be to see what we can get for Petry first.

Personally, I'm not desperate to trade Poehling. But if he snags us 2 pieces and one of them is a top 4D like Juulsen on the LD side, I'm listening.

But trading him cause we are scared he don't sign with us? I doubt that is the case.

 

[Belial]

Tout le monde me demande si c'est ma dernière année au collège. Je ne le sais pas. Et ce n'est pas parce que je ne veux pas le dire. C'est parce que je ne le sais réellement pas. Je suis heureux ici et on a une chance de gagner quelque chose cette année », explique-t-il.

Jees, do you want to play in the NHL next year ot not

Seriously man? He has literally nothing to gain by playing another year there! He will basically stall his development IMO. He will turn pro! No doubt in my mind. I don't care what he says and how you interpret what he's saying.

 

[26Mats]

Not in the mood to argue, there's nothing to indicate that he will not sing here!

If you want to believe he will screw us, have a blast. Just don't get the logic...

It's not about belief, it's about fact. Just wondering if you have a source for your belief. But definitely not worth arguing over pure speculation.

 

[Habs Halifax]

It's not about belief, it's about fact. Just wondering if you have a source for your belief. But definitely not worth arguing over pure speculation.

Fact? What fact are you implying? That because there have been a select few who screwed over the teams that drafted them, Poehling will do the same?

Tell us your probability he does this to us? 10%? 90%?

 

[26Mats]

Fact? What fact are your implying?

That someone has an actual quote or source either way of what he will choose.

I just wanted a source from my original post. Sure the probability based on the past is that he will be a Hab. I'm still looking forward to this being confirmed by a source.

 

[LastWordArmy]

I really cant see him going back to school next year. Even with him, St. Cloud will not be a contender in 2020.

Their window to win was last season and this season. After being upset last year, its now or never.

 

[Habs Halifax]

That someone has an actual quote or source either way of what he will choose.

I just wanted a source from my original post. Sure the probability based on the past is that he will be a Hab. I'm still looking forward to this being confirmed by a source.

He did say he was proud to be selected by the Leafs when he was drafted and quickly realized he made a mistake and said, "I mean Montreal". This is about the only thing I can pick out in terms of any evidence or signs he has other plans than Montreal. Doubt he does that to us but it's possible. If he does, I'm going to be pissed off and the NHL/NHLPA needs to correct this in the next CBA. I support NCAA players getting an education while playing hockey but the NHL needs to prevent teams from losing assets. If they want to play till 21 or 22 then then get into the NHL, put yourself into the draft that year. If the NHL wants to be fair towards all players entering the NHL, they have them enter the draft and force them to sign ELC like every other player. No matter the age, they have to get drafted. Leave it up to the teams if they want to pick a player closer to pro level vs a 18 year old.

At the age of 19/20, Hayes did this in the NCAA
- 28 pts in 44 games with 7 goals (age 19 in 11/12 )
- 25 pts in 27 games with 6 goals (age 20 in 12/13)

He decided to play another year of NCAA at the age of 21 (13/14) and had a break out year. Signed with the Rangers in Aug of 2014 after that NCAA season was done. Screwed over the Blackhawks. Why? Not sure. Maybe they didn't support him in his age 19 and 20 NCAA years? Maybe they tried to low ball a ELC on him? Who knows? What other 1st round pick did this? Not sure and it's very rare.

Poehling is playing with his two twin brothers at the age of 19/20 this year and he wants to win with St Cloud who he knew would be a good team. It's the 3rd year in a row for the 3 brothers playing with each other. Not sure if they have a hidden agenda where they want to play together again next year? Poehling knows the Habs want him to turn Pro next year.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I really cant see him going back to school next year. Even with him, St. Cloud will not be a contender in 2020.

Their window to win was last season and this season. After being upset last year, its now or never.

Will his twin brothers be there again though?

 

[FrankMTL]

Will his twin brothers be there again though?

Nope, they won’t.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Nope, they won’t.

How do you know? They are in their junior freshman year aren't they? Is there a NCAA age limit on the Hockey team?

 

[Habs Halifax]

Question for those who know Hayes... Did he ever attend the Blackhawks rookie camp?

Edit: I guess he did in previous years. Interesting article in terms of the Blackhawks and Hayes... Hayes won't attend Hawks prospect camp

You can read it to determine the reasons why he didn't sign with the Blackhawks. Blackhawks got a 2nd round pick for compensation

Reasons for not signing?
- Contract
- Organizational depth

Other things to think about:
- Did the Hawks support him in his development years?
- Did the Hawks pay for his flights and hotel for development camp each year?
- Were the Hawks as high on him as the Habs are with Poehling and what was the communication between them?

Hayes appeared to want the fastest way to get into the NHL. That's what I'm interpreting from reading several articles and comments.

 

[FrankMTL]

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How do you know? They are in their junior freshman year aren't they? Is there a NCAA age limit on the Hockey team?

You're right, I thought it was their 4th year but it's only their 3rd. My bad! This means they'll probably be back next year.

 

[Habs Halifax]

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You're right, I thought it was their 4th year but it's only their 3rd. My bad! This means they'll probably be back next year.

Lets hope they win this year and squash the idea of Ryan going back for another year. Regardless, I doubt the Habs are ignoring him in his development and are going to be cheap on the ELC when that day comes.

Does Poehling think that his road to the NHL and playing center in the NHL is a long one with the Habs? I doubt that

 

[LastWordArmy]

Will his twin brothers be there again though?

They have one year left. Yes

Worst case scenario... if he does leave the habs would get a 2nd round pick as compensation from the league (25th pick of the second round)

 

[Favster]

Nothing is 100%, but the percentage of NHL drafted players in the NCAA that take advantage of this loophole is very very low...especially first rounders. I think Kevin Hayes was a first rounder, besides him i'm not sure how many other first rounders have done this.

Blaks wheeler did it. I think Poehling will sign though.

 

[yianik]

I thought Poehling stated recently, as in the last month, that he couldn't wait to sign his contract with the Habs. Dont ask for a source.

He is a centre. The Habs need centres. Sure there is competition but it's not like he needs to upend Malkin , Crosby or Tavares and Matthews.

Also, he is a 2 way centre. Name me a team that is as anal about centres ( and everybody else for that matter ) being able to play a 200 foot game.

Claude Julien. Repeat my 3rd paragraph.

Poehling is a big guy and will be bigger when he fills out. Name a team with smaller forwards in the league that wants to size up a bit more than us.

In summary, his best shot of making it as a centre in the NHL is us. He and his agent would be idiots if they think otherwise.

 

[FormerLurker]

Tout le monde me demande si c'est ma dernière année au collège. Je ne le sais pas. Et ce n'est pas parce que je ne veux pas le dire. C'est parce que je ne le sais réellement pas. Je suis heureux ici et on a une chance de gagner quelque chose cette année », explique-t-il.

Jees, do you want to play in the NHL next year ot not

I can't think of one NCAA player that has ever announced to the public ahead of time that he will turn pro. He's focused on this year, as he should be. He's doing exactly what 100% of drafted NCAA players do during the season, i.e. keeping his mouth shut about his intentions and playing for his college team.