Eklund Rumor: Ryan O'Reilly+ for Noah Hanifin

[SnuggaRUDE]

Those are reasonable sentiments. I guess to me it just feel like Carolina is leaving a lot on the table. They have a plethora of good defense, but it's hard to see them doing a lot without a center. It's just easy to imagine them being a play off team for the 2-3 years it will take for Necas to be the impact player they envision.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Those are reasonable sentiments. I guess to me it just feel like Carolina is leaving a lot on the table. They have a plethora of good defense, but it's hard to see them doing a lot without a center. It's just easy to imagine them being a play off team for the 2-3 years it will take for Necas to be the impact player they envision.

I think this is a bit mis-understood in some sense.

Slavin is an absolute stud defensively and "maybe" has some untapped offensive ability (since he doesn't get much PP time and gets the toughest matchups) but still has 4G, 13P. Canes can't afford to lose him as he's their shut-down guy.
Pesce is strictly defense (0G, 9 points).
Fleury is strictly defense so far (0G, 6 points)
Faulk is in slump this year, but his biggest asset offensively is his shot. He's not a natural PP QB or distributor of the puck. (4G, 17P)
TVR is a nice bottom pairing guy without much offense (1G, 9P)

So while there is a "plethora" so to speak, there is one guy that has real offensive ability (outside of Faulk's shot), and that's Hanifin, who IMO hasn't even come close to reaching his potential yet (although he gets better and better each game). I personally, think the team is better off with him on the back end than trading for a good, but not great C that is older and more expensive. Maybe if Jake Bean comes along and becomes that offensive force, I'll have a different view.

I'm not sure adding ROR but taking away Hanifin and not solving the goaltending gets them into the playoffs and I'm a big ROR fan. Not to mention I get heartburn trading a 21 year old with Hanifin's potential for a guy 6 years older.

That's my rationale. I'd rather get Necas here, try Aho at C, and try to acquire some wingers this off season and see where that gets us.

 

[nickdawg95]

carolina fans think hanifin is worth a top 20 centre hmmmmm. seriously who would you trade hanifin for ????

 

[SnuggaRUDE]

That's reasonable, Pesce and/or Fleury make a lot of sense to trade too. They're valuable pieces. I guess my observation is that Carolina has a enough team value to make the playoffs, but it's too unevenly distributed.

If their strategy is see what JT does and evaluate in the offseason it's hard to argue against it. But if he doesn't sign, they'll need to adjust IMO.

 

[Canes]

carolina fans think hanifin is worth a top 20 centre hmmmmm. seriously who would you trade hanifin for ????

What? Only the biggest Canes homers think that. Most of us know we would be adding to Hanifin if we want a true #1 center.

Just because we wouldn't trade him for ROR straight up doesn't mean we think he's worth a top 20 center by himself. If we're trading Hanifin+, I'd want a center that's more than a slightly better version of Jordan Staal.

 

[GoldiFox]

carolina fans think hanifin is worth a top 20 centre hmmmmm. seriously who would you trade hanifin for ????

You are confusing:
"Canes fans think Hanifin is worth a top 20 C"
with
"Canes fans aren't interested in trading their 21 year old top-4 D unless a young, top-20 C is coming back."

I'd rather the Canes keep Hanifin and throw $13+ million at Tavares this offseason.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

carolina fans think hanifin is worth a top 20 centre hmmmmm. seriously who would you trade hanifin for ????

Oh stop. Most of us aren't interested in trading Hanifin, period. So unless there's a deal to provide a similar age 1C, then we don't want to move him so it's really not that complicated.

 

[Gabrielor]

Cane fans not wanting to move Hanifin for OReilly is a reasonable position.

Calling OReilly anything, but a top line center, isn’t.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

It is rather fitting that the Eklund tag is the color of green diarrhea poo. It's what he flings to the walls, hoping one sticks.

 

[Jarey Curry]

So Buffalo should want a Werenski, Provorov, or a Makar, Heiskanen type of d-man for ROR? Good luck with that.

What makes you think Hanifins worth is any less than those guys in a few years? Carolina is loaded with defenseman so Hanifin hasn't had exactly top responsibility role which he deserves

 

[RodTheBawd]

[MOD]

Cane fans not wanting to move Hanifin for OReilly is a reasonable position.

Calling OReilly anything, but a top line center, isn’t.

Did anyone say ROR wasn't? Most of our positions are that he isn't the right 1C, or that we wouldn't move Hanifin for him. I'd love to him, I just don't see the right pieces being agreed to.

 

[Jumptheshark]

Wait, wasn't this proposal made on this site earlier today? Is this site where he gets all his "inside information"?

two weeks ago

 

[SnuggaRUDE]

If Eklund updates with "Carolina content to woo JT" we'll know what's going on.

 

[nickdawg95]

What? Only the biggest Canes homers think that. Most of us know we would be adding to Hanifin if we want a true #1 center.

Just because we wouldn't trade him for ROR straight up doesn't mean we think he's worth a top 20 center by himself. If we're trading Hanifin+, I'd want a center that's more than a slightly better version of Jordan Staal.

so ROR

 

[SaskCanesFan]

so ROR

He said "more than" in the words just preceding where you bolded. Or is this just more being intentionally obtuse.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

so ROR

He said MORE than a slightly better version of Jordan Staal. For last season and this:

ROR: 120GP, 33G, 88P (31 P on the PP)
Staal: 124GP, 30G, 75P (19P on the PP)

Both are very good at faceoffs, Staal spends more time on the PK, ROR gets more on the PP.
Staal has better overall and relative possession numbers.
Staal has better G/60 and P/60 at even Strength
ROR has better PP numbers
Staal faces tougher competition, but both guys usually face the toughest.

So yes, I'd say he is a slightly better version. Worse even strength/possession, better on the PP.

I'm not knocking ROR, would love to have him on the Canes, just not willing to give up what the Sabres would likely ask for him.

 

[nickdawg95]

He said MORE than a slightly better version of Jordan Staal. For last season and this:

ROR: 120GP, 33G, 88P (31 P on the PP)
Staal: 124GP, 30G, 75P (19P on the PP)

Both are very good at faceoffs, Staal spends more time on the PK, ROR gets more on the PP.
Staal has better overall and relative possession numbers.
Staal has better G/60 and P/60 at even Strength
ROR has better PP numbers
Staal faces tougher competition, but both guys usually face the toughest.

So yes, I'd say he is a slightly better version. Worse even strength/possession, better on the PP.

I'm not knocking ROR, would love to have him on the Canes, just not willing to give up what the Sabres would likely ask for him.

RoR is a top 30 centre, staal isn't even a top 60 centre

 

[tarheelhockey]

Staal is absolutely a top-60 center.

Anyway, it's no offense to ROR to pass on this. It's not about how good he is or isn't, it's that you don't trade a 20 year old defenseman who's thriving in a top-4 role. A decade down the road you're still trying to find that guy again. It's just not worth the disruptive effect on the rest of the lineup. Easier to just throw draft picks and UFA contracts at the center position than it is to make a trade like this.

 

[Curufinwe]

ROR for Hagg + Lehtera (cap dump) plus the Blues 2018 1st.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

RoR is a top 30 centre, staal isn't even a top 60 centre

Even if you ignore his defensive value, the last time Staal played 50 games or more and didn’t finish in the Top 60 among centers in scoring was 2007-2008.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

RoR is a top 30 centre, staal isn't even a top 60 centre

So you can't debate the actual numbers so you have to throw your own arbitrary rankings out.

3 goals and 13 points separate the two players these last 2 years. Staal has been the BETTER even strength player. Unless you have some other data to back your assertions, they are without merit.

 

[NotOpie]

I'll echo the "I don't want to trade Hanifin" Canes fanbase.

I do want ROR as I think he would thrive in the Bill Peters system. In another thread I posted something like this:

To Buffalo:
Jake Bean
Victor Rask
one of Janne Kuokkanen/Aleksi Saarela
Hurricanes 2019 1st

To Carolina:
Ryan O'Reilly
Buffalo's 2018 2nd

Canes give up the equivalent of 2 1st's and 2 2nd's, a guy in the NHL, two guys likely to be there in a year or two, and what will likely be a bottom 1/3 1st round pick.

In the end, I would envision this to be the type of deal that would get crafted should these two teams pursue something like this.

 

[nickdawg95]

So you can't debate the actual numbers so you have to throw your own arbitrary rankings out.

3 goals and 13 points separate the two players these last 2 years. Staal has been the BETTER even strength player. Unless you have some other data to back your assertions, they are without merit.

Okay let's look at the last 5 seasons then

RoR - 267point in 353 games

staal - 187 points in 334 games

yeah RoR is A LOT BETTER THAN STAAL SORRY

 

[Heretic]

I'll echo the "I don't want to trade Hanifin" Canes fanbase.

I do want ROR as I think he would thrive in the Bill Peters system. In another thread I posted something like this:

To Buffalo:
Jake Bean
Victor Rask
one of Janne Kuokkanen/Aleksi Saarela
Hurricanes 2019 1st

To Carolina:
Ryan O'Reilly
Buffalo's 2018 2nd

Canes give up the equivalent of 2 1st's and 2 2nd's, a guy in the NHL, two guys likely to be there in a year or two, and what will likely be a bottom 1/3 1st round pick.

In the end, I would envision this to be the type of deal that would get crafted should these two teams pursue something like this.

I want Hanafin more (he's jack's friend and i just like the player more) but i would do that deal.

 

[Panthaz89]

The add for Buffalo would have to be Mittelstadt. To which Buffalo says No.

There is no fit from Montreal.

lol yeah just take our 2nd and arguably 3rd/4th most valuable players in the organization as trade chips.....right.